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cervena_karkulka #1 Posted 13 May 2015 - 01:52 PM

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i know that here somwhere is already topic about this rating, but can someone give me as simple explanation as possible what exactly does it mean and by which statistic is it most influenced? i accidentally found that i am at Top 100  Rating "STAR1" players on WOTB Stars server, but dont have any idea how did i do that :D I dont have best WR, played only slightly above 3k battles, i play in platoon only very, very rarely and I have just one T10 tank currently in  my garage (with FV4202 researched, havent bought it yet).


Mockney_piers #2 Posted 13 May 2015 - 02:04 PM

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noone knows how he weights the contributory factors, but it's basically a weird aggregate measure of your stats (tank-by-tank) against those of everyone else on the server who has ever logged on to the site.

 

The overall rating is a bit of a mystery, and you may benefit from only having one tier 10 that you are doing well with.

 

On a tank by tank basis I think it's pretty useful.

He seems to value spotting quite highly and win rate not so much from what I can see. High platooning is penalised so again it works in your favour.



cervena_karkulka #3 Posted 13 May 2015 - 02:07 PM

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hmm, so all in all, its some general number that have no special or exact meaning. its good only for comparing my results with specific tanks/tiers against other tankers, right? 


Mockney_piers #4 Posted 13 May 2015 - 02:10 PM

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napxas #5 Posted 13 May 2015 - 02:48 PM

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Yr stats are extremely impressive in all tanks and tiers. Were you born a natural tanker :) Took me 3000 battles and over 50 tanks just to start my climb from noob to average. Mine is now an up-hill challenge. Looks like you started on top form and have remained that way. Get some gameplay on you tube. Top 100 is magnificent :) Happy Gaming 

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Sariel_ #6 Posted 13 May 2015 - 04:21 PM

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By this rating I am below average player. YEAH sure I am below average. Stfu, another bullshit rating where you must have tier 10 this is bullshit. Discrimination of players which dont have tier 10 ._.


 

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Mockney_piers #7 Posted 13 May 2015 - 04:26 PM

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you think you're bad?

I'm 0.4 or something. A thumbless, non mutant tortoise in his nonagenraian dotage could achieve better in any tank it played.



Spinee #8 Posted 13 May 2015 - 04:30 PM

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STAR1 rating is pretty bad in my opinion. Being penalised for platooning is stupid, people shouldn't ever refer to this rating if they want to measure their skill. What you should focus on (Until WN8 comes) is Average Damage to determine skill.

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Sariel_ #9 Posted 13 May 2015 - 04:34 PM

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WN7 and then WN8 are now best ratings. But I am still waiting for WN9, because WN8 doesnt include spoting and spoting damage and this is bad, no differences between campers and frontline players.

 

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napxas #10 Posted 13 May 2015 - 04:40 PM

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I'm In the top 3600 :) do I get a noob medal ?  LOL

Edited by napxas, 13 May 2015 - 04:40 PM.

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tonifalck123 #11 Posted 01 January 2016 - 12:32 AM

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WN8 is the rating you should look at

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Blast_LGN #12 Posted 01 January 2016 - 01:01 AM

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What I don't get is how many games a tank has to have in order to make a difference to STAR1?  I thought it would be 100 but I have tanks that alter my STAR1 with under 100 games lol.

 


Edited by Blast_44, 01 January 2016 - 01:07 AM.

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ArmouredEtiquette #13 Posted 01 January 2016 - 11:39 AM

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Yeh it's times ten the number of games...but only from T5 and up. So in a tier 5 tank you have to play 50 games for it to count towards Star. Also the higher the tier the more it will influence the overall Star rating.

 


Titus_Scato #14 Posted 01 January 2016 - 11:59 AM

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View PostSariel_, on 13 May 2015 - 04:21 PM, said:

By this rating I am below average player. YEAH sure I am below average. Stfu, another [edited]rating where you must have tier 10 this is [edited]. Discrimination of players which dont have tier 10 ._.

 

Dude, you are 26th from the top in the EU!

 

http://wotbstars.com...Save=on&lng=eng

 

Were you looking at the account for sariel, not sariel_ ?  That one is below average, but has only 64 battles.

 

http://wotbstars.com...Save=on&lng=eng

 

Or is that your first account?  Lol, did you re-roll after only 64 battles?  Lol!

 



CountVonJuhuu #15 Posted 01 January 2016 - 06:40 PM

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View PostSariel_, on 13 May 2015 - 06:34 PM, said:

WN7 and then WN8 are now best ratings.

 

Could somebody kindly open up just a little bit what are those about. Just the basics in plain english.

Looked already from wiki, but the english used there where a bit over my head, and didn't quite comprehend.

 

Sorry guys, idiot asking...


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Dassem_ #16 Posted 01 January 2016 - 11:03 PM

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View PostCountVonJuhuu, on 01 January 2016 - 07:40 PM, said:

 

Could somebody kindly open up just a little bit what are those about. Just the basics in plain english.

Looked already from wiki, but the english used there where a bit over my head, and didn't quite comprehend.

 

Sorry guys, idiot asking...

 

all three are meant to give an impression of how well you play.

 

Star1 is worst, doesn't take several contributions into account.

WN7 is a little better, but has some strange priorities, like pure dmg done counting veeery much.

WN8 is an updated, newer, more balanced WN7

 

Still none of them are really good, as WG does not have available records of everything, as far as I understand.

 

Also, a lot of things you may do in a match isn't on record at all, except in your winrate. Like convincing your team in chat at start of battle to go the proper direction, or target priority (choosing to chase a unicum in a T-54 rather than killing the afk T-54 you stumbled upon), or getting half the red team to chase you around the map while your team fights the other half...

 

The only thing that really says how well you do, is your winrate, and even that in relation to your average tier and platoonrate...


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hson_hson #17 Posted 01 January 2016 - 11:28 PM

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View PostMockney_piers, on 13 May 2015 - 03:04 PM, said:

noone knows how he weights the contributory factors, 

 

Ehh, they are clearly displayed on the site.

 

http://wotbstars.com/star1.php?usr=hson_hson&geo=EU&lng=eng click on "Show FAQ" and look at the yellow header a the top of the "Tanks" table



hson_hson #18 Posted 02 January 2016 - 12:10 AM

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View PostCountVonJuhuu, on 01 January 2016 - 07:40 PM, said:

Could somebody kindly open up just a little bit what are those about. Just the basics in plain english.

Looked already from wiki, but the english used there where a bit over my head, and didn't quite comprehend.

 

Sorry guys, idiot asking...

 

Ok, I'll try to explain it as simple as possible (scroll down for the cut down version).

 

WN7 and WN8 were both designed for WoT PC and thus have some problems, but more on that later on.

 

I think Star1 was designed for Blitz but anyway the main difference is that it use a "platoon penalty" due to comments on the NA server from experienced players who argumented that you could stat pad by platooning (i.e a player with high platoon rate would perform better than a player with low platoon rate due to his platoon partner helping).

So a decision was made to try to adjust for this, however since the last update to the WG API (from which all stats sites/apps get their data) doesn't supply platoon data and the Star1 is a bit off because of that.

 

But basically this is how the three works.

 

WN7

Based on kills,damage,spotting and defence ( when you shoot someone inside the cap circle and decrease cap points) with a tier penalty.

So if you do the same number of kills,damage,spotting and defence on tier 1,5 and 10 you would get different WN7 numbers.

This also explains why it is easier to get high WN7 in some tanks while others are harder even though they are of the same tier.

And since WN7 was designed for WoT PC where there are 14 players on each team, it is much harder to achieve high WN7 on the lowest tiers (1-3).

 

WN8

Designed to adjust for some of the problems of WN7, mainly the damage potential difference of light/medium/heavy/TD of the same tier.

So the designers used data from WoT PC for 17k players and filtered out players with less than 1k battles and 50 for a single tank.

Then all data was input into a piece of software which calculated the impact a player had on the WR regardless of which tank he was driving, i.e if you drive a tank with low/high damage potential, what is the impact on WR if you do X or Y amount of damage.

And that software produced a formula which is used to calculate WN8.

But one other difference between WN7 and WN8 is that WN8 use the average for a specific tank instead of a tier target when calculating.

This means that regardless of which tank you use, WN8 compare your performance to other drivers of the same tank.

This also explains why the WN8 number is different on blitzstars.com and wotbstars.com since they use only the players that someone have looked at rather than all Blitz players (both sites have roughly about 1% of all Blitz players, just a different set).

 

Star1

As I previously wrote, the main difference is that Star1 use a platoon penalty to adjust for players who platoon a lot.

But it also has a tier adjustment for the combined Star1 which means that a player who plays a lot of battles in higher tiers will get a bonus while a player who "seal clubs" a lot will get a penalty.

But on a tank-by-tank basis, this is similar to the WN8, it is based on using the median numbers of players in wotbstars database.

 

 

 

Summary

WN7 - Static formula which only accounts for damage/kills/spots/defence and applies a tier penalty. Only useful when used to compare tank by tank.

WN8 - Dynamic formula which use player base to compare your result against other players in the same tank.

Star1 - Dynamic formula just as WN8, but with an added platoon/tier adjustment


Edited by hson_hson, 03 January 2016 - 12:54 AM.


clankclank202 #19 Posted 02 January 2016 - 03:22 AM

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View PostMockney_piers, on 13 May 2015 - 04:26 PM, said:

you think you're bad?

I'm 0.4 or something. A thumbless, non mutant tortoise in his nonagenraian dotage could achieve better in any tank it played.

And you have terrible dress sense too.



CountVonJuhuu #20 Posted 02 January 2016 - 08:59 AM

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View PostDassem_Ultor_, on 02 January 2016 - 01:03 AM, said:

 

all three are meant to give an impression of how well you play.

 

 

View Posthson_hson, on 02 January 2016 - 02:10 AM, said:

 

Ok, I'll try to explain it as simple as possible (scroll down for the cut down version)....

 

 

Thanks guys, I appreciate you seeing the effort.

Got the point now:)

 

They should put that text into wiki instead of that giprish it has now...


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