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__G0D__ #21 Posted 31 January 2017 - 05:12 PM

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Big thanks to Tomas and rib for organizing this and special thanks to mike (G0d) for sponsoring it , this seems exciting as twister cup ;)

RA1D_SCHNITZEL_ #22 Posted 31 January 2017 - 06:42 PM

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View Postunkindest, on 31 January 2017 - 04:41 PM, said:

 

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Tomas_LGN #23 Posted 31 January 2017 - 07:29 PM

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View PostEdurace, on 31 January 2017 - 07:10 PM, said:

Real money prizes? Are you allowed to do that kids? Any registered organization? Have you checked all the laws in EU before that? 

 

 

1st, yes real money prizes - guaranteed. Prize pool wont change.

2nd, most of us aren't kids, dont be butt hurt pls buddy ;) Mike (sponsor) is an adult who is kindly sponsoring this tournament and so is blenu, so its not made by "kids".

 

And no we dont need any law checking or organisation, whats stopping us giving these amounts of money to someone for free? You? 

Funny. Now leave this for the clans that want to play, not the ones who want to complain about it.


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__G0D__ #24 Posted 31 January 2017 - 07:32 PM

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View Posttomas_legion, on 31 January 2017 - 07:29 PM, said:

 

 

1st, yes real money prizes - guaranteed. Prize pool wont change.

2nd, most of us aren't kids, dont be butt hurt pls buddy ;) Mike (sponsor) is an adult who is kindly sponsoring this tournament and so is blenu, so its not made by "kids".

 

And no we dont need any law checking or organisation, whats stopping us giving these amounts of money to someone for free? You? 

Funny. Now leave this for the clans that want to play, not the ones who want to complain about it.

Spot on 



Tomas_LGN #25 Posted 31 January 2017 - 08:37 PM

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View PostEdurace, on 31 January 2017 - 08:07 PM, said:

 

Not me:

 

Running a competition

Many organisations seek to attract customers by running competitions for prizes. However, there are regulatory controls on some of these competitions.

This guide is based on the laws in Great Britain (England, Wales and Scotland). 

If a skill competition involves "playing a game of chance", it will be gaming – and so require the appropriate licence, usually a casino operating licence –  whether or not any payment is involved. A game of chance includes a game involving elements of both chance and skill (and even if the chance element can be eliminated by superlative skill) other than a sport; it no longer matters whether there are any other participants. 

 

 

 

 

Again, what does this have to do with anything? There is no way to physically ban people from hosting a tournamnet, unless wargaming themselves banned it (which I doubt could happen, as they are encouraging of people organising their own community tournamnets) so please stop trying to interfere when we are trying to make the first proper tournament in like 6 months for clans who actually want to play clan wars properly, not just blitz brawls. You aren't doing anything useful here, so I suggest trying to find something meaningful to do instead rather than bother us with this. It's pointless. 

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Ready2Rage #26 Posted 31 January 2017 - 09:43 PM

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I think you are right Edurace. Since the prize is real money and you are not directly supported by WarGaming, you must have a licence. Otherwise it is most likely not legal.



RA1D_R1B_ #27 Posted 31 January 2017 - 09:44 PM

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Hero of the day, wanna play peter pan online? Go away pls and stop hating. 

Tomas_LGN #28 Posted 31 January 2017 - 09:45 PM

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View PostEdurace, on 31 January 2017 - 08:46 PM, said:

 

So, you are running a lottery based competition on Wargaming platform, and going to pay real money prizes, and think it's absolutely legal for all the EU without checking it? You are wrong, it's my business - Wargaming can be banned in my country like Betfair, Gamebookers, William hills, etc., because of running some competitions with money prizes. WoTB is a game of chances and skills, so you have to check the laws of every country in EU before sending prize money. Besides, you have to have some legal status.

 

 

 

Ok then, as you wish. Since you insist on wasting my time with this I will give you a detailed answer. 

 

First, we are not running this competition on the "Wargaming platform" and we are in no way saying or hinting that. We are simply running a tournamnet between teams to see who's the best team. The game itself doesnt matter, as its just a means of playing. What's stopping me from challenging someone else for money in a different game to see who's better? Nothing. Same as nothing stops us here from doing that.

 

Second, this is not in any way gambling or a lottery based event as there is no chance/luck involved or any bets or sign up fees of any sorts. You can even think of it as a donation if you wish. Whoever proves themselves to be the best will get a donation from us. Whatever you want to call it, it cant be illegal just because you want it to be.

 

Third, there have been hundreds of tournamnets held by players from the community both in Blitz and WoT PC, and there has never been a problem with any of them, why should there be with this one? I simply dont understand why you still have issues with this if it doesnt affect u in any way.

 

And last, we are not required by ANY law in EU that I am aware of to be a licensed organisation to be able to give people money. It doesnt have to be directly linked to the tournamnet either and is not given to individuals but instead to a clan so that does not necessarily mean "if you enter you can win money" so again these gambling/lottery rules simply dont apply.


Edited by tomas_legion, 31 January 2017 - 09:46 PM.

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__Ceeps__ #29 Posted 31 January 2017 - 09:45 PM

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I would also check the sponsorship/advertising aspect with wargaming, though hope you can resolve this. Could be good for blitz.


 


RA1D_R1B_ #30 Posted 31 January 2017 - 10:03 PM

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Tomas, stop spending your time with him. If you check his Stats after 19k battles you know what i mean. I think WG did enough for bad player... like m60 and other things. Its normal that not everyone can be part of it, some guys are sad cause of that like him. Back to the important questions? or maybe an english lesson for me?

Tomas_LGN #31 Posted 31 January 2017 - 10:13 PM

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View PostEdurace, on 31 January 2017 - 10:00 PM, said:

 

Are you like serious? In these days of terrors just sending money to whatever you want is ok? The officials want to know 1) the origin of money and 2) the destination. Additionally, the Revenue services in each country want to get taxes from that income - surely you are allowed to send some amounts to your very close relatives, but nothing more than that. Then, you have to look into your status... are you responsible for a lottery without a licence alone or it's a group of criminals? 

 

 

Nope, wrong. You're telling me sending a thousand or two to anyone you want through Paypal is illegal or need more details? Oh please. I do it constantly and there is certainly no need for any info or details. 

 

And again, stop calling it a lottery when it's a competition. 

 

Just going to point something out here that is annoying me. WE are spending several 10s of hours on this to organise and fund an event for the community (in which everyone is welcome to participate) and the only thing you do here is criticise and try come up with some stupid policies that dont even apply, and call us criminals? I find that quite offending since unless you want to participate it has nothing to do with you, and if you were really concerned with the legalities you could have just sent a PM or asked in a nice manner, not criticising and calling people kids just because you may hold personal grudges against them. Not very mature of you is it? Now just leave it unless you actually have something constructive.


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__G0D__ #32 Posted 31 January 2017 - 10:14 PM

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You don't need a liscense to give out a prize . Maybe wherever your from , but the sponsor is in turkey and he's NOT a criminal

phony1907 #33 Posted 31 January 2017 - 10:27 PM

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In Turkey you can not arrange a competition with more then 64,88 turkish liras prize without permission from the goverment.

 

Stop being stupid and be offensive for no reason. Edurace is actually helping the sponsor. Cause as a business owner these stuff can get him to trouble.


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Sayten_LGN #34 Posted 31 January 2017 - 10:42 PM

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Really?

Edited by SaytenSR, 31 January 2017 - 10:44 PM.


RA1D_R1B_ #35 Posted 31 January 2017 - 10:42 PM

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Now everything is clear, thanks for beeing here, enjoy they game and have fun. Let me tell you something, cancer is a bad thing and i hope no one person on this world will get it. But if you offend people as kids and other things, and they offend you back its a bad choice to come with your RL, just to say.

Campist #36 Posted 31 January 2017 - 10:49 PM

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[edited]

Edited by BigBadVuk, 02 February 2017 - 08:00 AM.
This post has been moderated by Wg staff member due to inappropriate content

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Sayten_LGN #37 Posted 31 January 2017 - 10:50 PM

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View PostEdurace, on 31 January 2017 - 10:33 PM, said:

 

yep, stop spending your time in the forums, and start thinking... there is a reason why ATP did run some useless Fantasy league of predicting tournaments' winners, restricting it to few EU countries only.... though the prizes were only tennis Masters winners' photos with autographs worth of 50€. Sure, they are just stupid and havent checked the laws in every country before that. :facepalm:

 

I havent been posting much lately and many players know that I've been fighting cancer for last 2 years. Lately, it's become ugly and I had few surgeries, yep I've played some X tier battles after the treatments and probably not well enough, but nobody blamed me for that before you, so thank you. 

 

Ok guys, I am not against that idea, but paying real money is a serious business and can lead to troubles. Of course, you can be lucky and nobody noticed that, but if someone does.... you will be in serious troubles. Just think about that, no pressure. 

 

My condolences about your cancer but what they are doing is not illegal like club football setting up league to play for money is not...



phony1907 #38 Posted 31 January 2017 - 10:55 PM

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Guys law is not something you make guesses about. The sponsor is a business owner, I am pretty sure he has a lawyer or a consultant on law. I highly recommend him to not do anything with out consulting them.

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RA1D_R1B_ #39 Posted 31 January 2017 - 11:00 PM

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There is a big difference beetween lottery and tournament, donate. If i want i can get tomorrow out of the street and give people money, i dont need a license for it. 

Blast_LGN #40 Posted 31 January 2017 - 11:01 PM

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View PostEdurace, on 31 January 2017 - 07:10 PM, said:

Real money prizes? Are you allowed to do that kids? Any registered organization? Have you checked all the laws in EU before that? 

 

View PostEdurace, on 31 January 2017 - 08:07 PM, said:

I'm 

Not me:

 

Running a competition

Many organisations seek to attract customers by running competitions for prizes. However, there are regulatory controls on some of these competitions.

This guide is based on the laws in Great Britain (England, Wales and Scotland). 

If a skill competition involves "playing a game of chance", it will be gaming – and so require the appropriate licence, usually a casino operating licence –  whether or not any payment is involved. A game of chance includes a game involving elements of both chance and skill (and even if the chance element can be eliminated by superlative skill) other than a sport; it no longer matters whether there are any other participants. 

 

 

 

Hello friendly forumer! I realise that your intentions here are all well meaning, and rest assured your philanthropic plethora of legal advice has been greatly appreciated by all of us hoping to participate in this tournament, like so many other previous tournaments in Blitz! I must say, since you correctly inferred that we are "kids", I already consider myself thoroughly well acquainted with the current EULA rules regarding age - especially since unkindest, in a similar act of ungrudging generosity, kindly posted here, amongst other things such as tomas' ability to read and comprehend, the specific EULA guidelines. 

 

Therefore it truely saddens me to tell you that I suspect, despite your unstinting munificence, your advisory efforts will be, alas, in vain! My reason being that WG have already contacted the sponsor of the event, and are fully aware of it. Furthermore, I believe that the tax officials you speak of will be similarly disinterested with this event as with the other money giveaways that have occurred in this game. 

 

There is one thing I would like to ask of you, since I am less informed about the details of your "business" with The Gambling Act 2005. I found the website from which you copied and pasted the quoted paragraph on rules and I was left rather confused. Indubitably, I need an expert's advice - if not a unicum in game you surely have purple stats with this field of work ;)  

 

Is the competition free to enter?

If a competition does not satisfy the skill requirement, it will be a lottery unless either no payment is required to participate in the competition (whether this is to enter the competition, or to find out if you have won, or to collect a prize) or there is an alternative free entry route. It is irrelevant whether the payment benefits the person running the competition or someone else, e.g. a telecoms company providing the premium-rate telephone number used to participate in the competition.

This text seems contrary to your previous advice, as it would seem that since there is absolutely no entrance fee, this does not qualify as a lottery? I also found interesting information on what would qualify as a level of skill: 

Section 14(5) of the Gambling Act 2005 sets a minimum standard of sorts:

A process which requires persons to exercise skill or judgment or to display knowledge shall be treated for the purposes of this section as relying wholly on chance if - (a) the requirement cannot reasonably be expected to prevent a significant proportion of persons who participate in the arrangement of which the process forms part from receiving a prize, and (b) the requirement cannot reasonably be expected to prevent a significant proportion of persons who wish to participate in that arrangement from doing so.

After looking through examples of what would class as an exercise bases on skill/judgement, I'm pretty sure Blitz qualifies anyway.

 

 


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