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obassu2 #1 Posted 23 May 2017 - 02:34 PM

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  I agree with the premium ammo nerf and I think it is a step closer to a balanced gameplay.

  But : are they necesary ?, does anyone buy premium ammo with gold anymore, premium tanks and premium tanks seem a better income source for WG.In my opinion we should still have APCR ; HEAT etc. as secondary ammo but with balanced carracteristics.

  Example : APCR should have better velocity than AP but less normalisation and penetration ( I pulled this example out of my butt, don't judge me )

  P.S. : can WG do something with 1 t7 vs. 6 t8s ?



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It won't balance anything,   All it will do is limit what tanks people play.   Only high armor and high pen tanks will get game time.   Tanks with meh armor and meh pen will just be ground through on their way to better tanks,    

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IrmaBecx #3 Posted 23 May 2017 - 03:10 PM

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The thing with Premium ammo is the more Premium ammo people use, the more credits they will need to pau, and the greater the need for Premium tanks and Premium time will be. That's how credit-bought Premium shells end up making WG money.

 

But Premium ammo has been in the game for a long time, and is already an integral part of the gameplay. It turns out using premium ammo does give a tangible advantage over time, and since it's already in the game and has affected the way tank are balanced, the chosen solution is to make it more accessible to players. That's the theory, anyway. But are the changes necessary? Well, many WoT players are asking for precisely these kinds of changes with regards to Premium ammo, and WGs own data does show regular use of Premium shells increases your damage output. So yes, you could argue they are, in a way, necessary.

 

APCR already has less normalisation than AP, but I can't agree they should have less penetration? That's not how they work; since the projectile is smaller and faster, they do actually penetrate deeper. Thats the whole point. It makes way more sense that APCR make less damage but flies faster and penetrates deeper.

 

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I agree 1 T7 and 6 T8s is frustrating. 


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romsitsa #4 Posted 23 May 2017 - 03:34 PM

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It's a welcome change for low tier autoladers. Lower costs, same chances to set fire > more credits.

Wonder how why the B1 and S35 didn't recive a pen buff if the Buffed B2.

 

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AvalancheZ250 #5 Posted 23 May 2017 - 03:42 PM

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View PostIrmaBecx, on 23 May 2017 - 03:10 PM, said:

The thing with Premium ammo is the more Premium ammo people use, the more credits they will need to pau, and the greater the need for Premium tanks and Premium time will be. That's how credit-bought Premium shells end up making WG money.

 

But Premium ammo has been in the game for a long time, and is already an integral part of the gameplay. It turns out using premium ammo does give a tangible advantage over time, and since it's already in the game and has affected the way tank are balanced, the chosen solution is to make it more accessible to players. That's the theory, anyway. But are the changes necessary? Well, many WoT players are asking for precisely these kinds of changes with regards to Premium ammo, and WGs own data does show regular use of Premium shells increases your damage output. So yes, you could argue they are, in a way, necessary.

 

APCR already has less normalisation than AP, but I can't agree they should have less penetration? That's not how they work; since the projectile is smaller and faster, they do actually penetrate deeper. Thats the whole point. It makes way more sense that APCR make less damage but flies faster and penetrates deeper.

 

Also:

I agree 1 T7 and 6 T8s is frustrating. 

 

Only, no one is spending loads of credits anymore, so the air is filled with a lot more gold shells

_Ripper4you_ #6 Posted 23 May 2017 - 03:44 PM

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isn't that a good thing to reduce the useless spamming of it?

IrmaBecx #7 Posted 23 May 2017 - 03:55 PM

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View PostAvalancheZ250, on 23 May 2017 - 05:42 PM, said:

 

Only, no one is spending loads of credits anymore, so the air is filled with a lot more gold shells

 

Precisely. Which, apparently, creates an imbalance over time.

 

View Postvlad9935, on 23 May 2017 - 05:44 PM, said:

isn't that a good thing to reduce the useless spamming of it?

 

Yes. And as far as I understand, this is exactly the point: introducing a trade off, which makes mindless spamming yield less damage.


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FuselierX #8 Posted 23 May 2017 - 03:58 PM

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Play higher tiers in a tank with good armor and you'll see a yellow shine that can light up a small town in an average battle. Pancakes just spam prammo like there's no tommorrow and now complain they can't make profit. WG in their unlimited wisdom wanna "help" these poor souls by making prammo cheaper, but not telling them they do less damage so they need much more of it after the update. This way pancakes will be quiet for a while again, "normal" players (with an iq above 45) know how to do damage using less prammo so won't be bothered that much by the damagenerf and WG will get some extra €, $ and £ this way because pancakes lose even more money now
               
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View PostIrmaBecx, on 23 May 2017 - 03:55 PM, said:

 

Precisely. Which, apparently, creates an imbalance over time.

 

 

Yes. And as far as I understand, this is exactly the point: introducing a trade off, which makes mindless spamming yield less damage.

 

Good. Premium ammo was a terrible concept anyway. I get the idea of realism, but still, it has no place in WoT. 

 

In fact, I think premium ammo should be locked until you get a certain amount of battles. By not firing a single gold round until I got to Tier X (and elited my first Tier X) I had to learn how to flank, immobilize and (ab)use camo the hard and effective way. 



obassu2 #10 Posted 23 May 2017 - 04:13 PM

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View PostIrmaBecx, on 23 May 2017 - 03:10 PM, said:

The thing with Premium ammo is the more Premium ammo people use, the more credits they will need to pau, and the greater the need for Premium tanks and Premium time will be. That's how credit-bought Premium shells end up making WG money.

 

But Premium ammo has been in the game for a long time, and is already an integral part of the gameplay. It turns out using premium ammo does give a tangible advantage over time, and since it's already in the game and has affected the way tank are balanced, the chosen solution is to make it more accessible to players. That's the theory, anyway. But are the changes necessary? Well, many WoT players are asking for precisely these kinds of changes with regards to Premium ammo, and WGs own data does show regular use of Premium shells increases your damage output. So yes, you could argue they are, in a way, necessary.

 

APCR already has less normalisation than AP, but I can't agree they should have less penetration? That's not how they work; since the projectile is smaller and faster, they do actually penetrate deeper. Thats the whole point. It makes way more sense that APCR make less damage but flies faster and penetrates deeper.

 

Also:

I agree 1 T7 and 6 T8s is frustrating. 

Told you that I pulled that example out of my butt, have you played Warthunder ? If you do, you can see how different types of ammo work in a "balanced" way, the concept of premium ammo suonds very bad ( the premium time to get ammo thing I understand, didn't think to put that in the post because prem. ammo will become cheaper anyway) and if it is a common thing, that doesn't mean that it's normal. As WG said premium ammo offers an advantege, but without it it won't matter anymore. ( ideea : like equipment, different types of ammo for different types of gameplay style ).



IrmaBecx #11 Posted 23 May 2017 - 04:28 PM

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View PostFuselierX, on 23 May 2017 - 05:58 PM, said:

Play higher tiers in a tank with good armor and you'll see a yellow shine that can light up a small town in an average battle. Pancakes just spam prammo like there's no tommorrow and now complain they can't make profit. WG in their unlimited wisdom wanna "help" these poor souls by making prammo cheaper, but not telling them they do less damage so they need much more of it after the update. This way pancakes will be quiet for a while again, "normal" players (with an iq above 45) know how to do damage using less prammo so won't be bothered that much by the damagenerf and WG will get some extra €, $ and £ this way because pancakes lose even more money now

 

Well, I do think the claim that the intention is towards improving the game balance is genuine. But I can't argue with your conclusion either way. :)

 

View PostAvalancheZ250, on 23 May 2017 - 05:59 PM, said:

 

Good. Premium ammo was a terrible concept anyway. I get the idea of realism, but still, it has no place in WoT. 

 

In fact, I think premium ammo should be locked until you get a certain amount of battles. By not firing a single gold round until I got to Tier X (and elited my first Tier X) I had to learn how to flank, immobilize and (ab)use camo the hard and effective way. 

 

I don't remember if I used to fire more or less Premium ammo when I was a noob. These days, I don't use it a whole lot because, similarly, I've learned to play on the flanks driving a lot of Mediums. But there is also the fact that the more I play, and the better I become, the less hesitant I am to actually use Premium shells in those situations where I feel it's needed.


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obassu2 #12 Posted 23 May 2017 - 04:36 PM

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View PostIrmaBecx, on 23 May 2017 - 04:28 PM, said:

 

Well, I do think the claim that the intention is towards improving the game balance is genuine. But I can't argue with your conclusion either way. :)

 

 

I don't remember if I used to fire more or less Premium ammo when I was a noob. These days, I don't use it a whole lot because, similarly, I've learned to play on the flanks driving a lot of Mediums. But there is also the fact that the more I play, and the better I become, the less hesitant I am to actually use Premium shells in those situations where I feel it's needed.

  Tell me what do you think about my reply, I tried to be more explicit...



IrmaBecx #13 Posted 23 May 2017 - 04:57 PM

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View Postobassu2, on 23 May 2017 - 06:36 PM, said:

  Tell me what do you think about my reply, I tried to be more explicit...

 

I've not played WT, so can't comment on that. I agree something being common doesn't make it right, but I don't think removing Premium ammo all together is realistic. 

 

But yeah, your original question remains: Is Premium ammo neccessary, the difference being it can be bought with Gold. Strictly speaking, the only thing that makes it necessary is it is a potential source of revenue for Wargaming.


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obassu2 #14 Posted 23 May 2017 - 05:05 PM

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View PostIrmaBecx, on 23 May 2017 - 04:57 PM, said:

 

I've not played WT, so can't comment on that. I agree something being common doesn't make it right, but I don't think removing Premium ammo all together is realistic. 

 

But yeah, your original question remains: Is Premium ammo neccessary, the difference being it can be bought with Gold. Strictly speaking, the only thing that makes it necessary is it is a potential source of revenue for Wargaming.

All can I say right now is :    ;)



obassu2 #15 Posted 23 May 2017 - 05:11 PM

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  I think that the WG drama that is going on now shows the current and future behavior of the company, but what can I sai ?, potatoes, bread and vodka isn't free in the current age... :)

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View PostFuselierX, on 23 May 2017 - 04:58 PM, said:

Play higher tiers in a tank with good armor and you'll see a yellow shine that can light up a small town in an average battle. Pancakes just spam prammo like there's no tommorrow and now complain they can't make profit. WG in their unlimited wisdom wanna "help" these poor souls by making prammo cheaper, but not telling them they do less damage so they need much more of it after the update. This way pancakes will be quiet for a while again, "normal" players (with an iq above 45) know how to do damage using less prammo so won't be bothered that much by the damagenerf and WG will get some extra €, $ and £ this way because pancakes lose even more money now

Yeah. Driving OP armor and those noobs dare to use prammo. Possible pancakes just like me. How dare they.



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obassu2 #18 Posted 23 May 2017 - 05:38 PM

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 I have an ideea : what do you think about ammo that acts like equipment (  choose a type of ammo based on your playstyle ), ammo will have + and - just like the tanks themselves...

  Hit me up with your brainstorms !



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I have no idea.  The thing i know is that they can not nerf premium tanks and now they did. WG is Breaking terms consecutively.  Now with spare parts and cheap premium ammo why should anyone buy a premium tank? To put money in WG pocket?!?  



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View PostV2_X_, on 23 May 2017 - 05:44 PM, said:

I have no idea. The thing i know is that they can not nerf premium tanks and now they did. WG is Breaking terms consecutively. Now with spare parts and cheap premium ammo why should anyone buy a premium tank? To put money in WG pocket?!?
 

Your choice, personaly I am a free-to-player, Blotz is WG's game and they can break theyr terms, but at the expense of theyr players...







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