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christeamplayerstfunoobs #1 Posted 02 August 2017 - 12:48 AM

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So some.of the.best ww2 german tanks made according to blitz are slow... Have no real protection.. Struggle to penetrate armour.. Have awful flanking properties... The only credits are the hetzer & leapord ive use so far.. The rest are.out of balance from there actual characteristics.. Tanks mate for storming heavy attack tanks have immense speed, no effective fire power.. Slow reload times, the turret turn barely as fast as (for example) a.russian heavy tank can turn on the spot at close range.. Nothing close to accurate. I so far have played up the range to tier VI only to find the harder i fight in awful avg.60% of matches with 'team' playërs that share no similar stratergy style (hm hm coincidence yeah?)...  So i fight harder see to be losing evening more then in lower tiers select the panzer... And wtf.. No forward fighting abilities two or three shots from american or russian tanks boom game over... Takes me five.to six.shots well placed in enemies weakest are to down them. Ap.. Prammo.. Or he.. Unless...  The proof to me... Unless i find my self shooting at.another german tank...  Then (coincidentaly) my shots yield effective damage.. I have played around a hundred matches whilst bring observant of this 'suspicion' i have had.. Only to find just before waiting this man other points moving clear.. How since 2012 there has been a awful unfair advantage set.against.german tanks... Frankly i dont care if its as.the programmers are russian, jewish,martian or teletubbies it is boll*cks even american heavies avoided decisive frontal battle with heavy germans.. It was know they where superior.. Tank for tank in the metal.. I would really like to know who thinks this blatant bias programming should be ended. The way is.over equal merit base per tank based on real stats should be the governing principle for all tanks.. Also as a note what is with matching 60% of my games.to ppl with algorythms that are way off from my playing style? Other than it getting ppl blatantly wound up so they play harder than what is neccesary for a enjoyable game.. Other than that i dont see why.. The graphics are.good.. There should be a pre.game chat lobby where you can select.who you go into battle with based on brief discussion.. Creating a better dynamic allowing ppl to socialise and pair/team up for battles... Would be a nice choice over bring jumbled in with what you pre.determined programming decides... 

 

So yeah im generaly getting ng pi##ed of with the biased programming.. Yet im posting as I would clearly like enough metal interest raised to address this.problem with the developers... As the way it is generaly is putting me off the game.. 

 

 



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The_Mighty_Wombat #4 Posted 02 August 2017 - 06:46 AM

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German tanks are awesome yet not beginner friendly.

They generally have more powerful guns (good pen numbers) that are accurate but not as high alpha damage as some others.

The armour is average and its better to not to be hit.

Hiding the hull (hull down) with just turret slightly exposed. Great on ridgelines.

Angling the tank (sidescraping) to increase effective armor thickness and increase bounce chance.

and wiggling betteen shot so the reds cant easily hit weak points are a must.

 

Soviet tanks are far easier to learn on and build skill.

they have more beginner friendly armor profiles that allow more mistakes.

But there guns are innacurate but derpy. So you need to be patient to aim or get closer.

After you have built your skill then play the other nations to get the best out of them. 



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From what you have written, it is better if you try to play Warthunder or something like Graviteam Tactics.The tanks in world of tanks use too many non sensical things ranging from hitpoints to prototype tanks to ahistorical tiering to ridiculous physics as well as tactics like sidescraping.

 

You will need to completely throw your historical understanding of tactics out of the window if you want to truly enjoy this game.Dont want to break your expectations but the devs have been doing everything they can to make this game even more ahistorical, namely by introducing fantasy tanks.


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The_Mighty_Wombat #6 Posted 02 August 2017 - 01:46 PM

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^^ this.

This is an "Arcade" style game with a little Historic flavor thrown on it.

 

There are some groups that recreate historic conflicts with set tanks and tank setups in the training rooms.

Other then that, enjoy the game as a tank shooter and ignore the many many unrealistic parts.

What battle was won when someone sat in a circle for 100seconds anyway...

 



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Well, they're Belarusian, not Russian, and as someone who's described as "British" a lot, I feel their pain with that. Okay, so the biggest server is the RU one, so that has an impact. BUT, and it's a big but, the Soviet tanks are fecking dull as ditchwater. Faffing about at tier VII just now, and I play the T-43 sometimes, because it's there, but I prefer the Comet or Chi-ri or Panther or cosplay Panther because they're more fun, it's harder to do well and I like the challenge. I don't want a game where everything is the same, I enjoy the challenge. Except the Chi-ri, which is starting to become an obsession.

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christeamplayerstfunoobs #8 Posted 03 August 2017 - 12:32 PM

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I appreciate your feedback.. And warthunder is a great favorite of mine... Yet as my pc is down im mobile on this game.. At first I ready enioyed it win or loss the games i played in hetzer and luchs where fun at first.. Then the lobby matching kicked in mixed with this apparent german heavy negative bias all this occured once i stepped up tier a day after I invested in premium to boost the victories That there where plenty of. Since then the majority of teams im in do a curly wurly and go lone wolf all over.. I see them singled out at least two to one in contact.. They are playërs who get owned quick.. Leaving usualy me and another against a complete or nearly complete enemy team a team that appears well matched using pack T tactics, decoys, seek and destroy etc.. In comms i ask my usualy single remaining team member are yiu having difficulty with lobby matching latley? The answered so far eqch time is yes.. Most avaliable to answer as we are in ambush cover positions... It is apparent to me that this is a programming 'anonomly' set to drop your win percentage (mine has drastically) possibly in the view that MONEY will be spent by bewildered playërs looking for a way to be able to take on a platoon between themselfes or the one other remaining team member.. Not that i will be paying out to get a gold tank... In fairness I get its a game so some things arent realistic.. Yet without using my frontlinne tanks as arty/snipes im not seeing any wins most battles... Again this falls back to the lobby matching and German.bias when a foriegn tank takes 100damage at a weakpoint yet hits my angled mostly covered, frontal armour dishing 150-200 damage.. It is no less than irritating.. The way this biased make it without at least three of you mid-close range as a unit yiu cant prevent your contact breaking cover.. And flanking.. Ive tried taking the tracks out for team playërs to get shots in as I reload in cover.. Most see that as a oppurtunity to try shoot of half way across the map to take.out a well damage enemy with a couple of friendlies already set about them.. It truly is a rarity that they take the decisive action to function as a team.. No cross fire established.. No supression techniques.. Just gun ho maddness... Then one or two out of ten games i find myself alongside side minds of similar team spirit & stratergy creating effective fire arc.. All syncronising with each others fire pattern & positions.. This is the matching that should be the majority... This and other matters that are wrong should be fixed for the sake of a good game.. Difficult battles are a fun challenge.. Close to immposible is fighting harder than is neccesary for a fun game especially the majority of matches... Good match making should be a priority.. There enough of us playing to make that happen most of the time.. I insist the option of entering matches with a pre match chat lobby for a minute would improve gameplay period.. As people focused on forming stratergy would opt for this... Gun ho nutters can cut the minute out in there rush to battle and enjoy rushing in.. Leaving the more shall we say realistic playërs to chat.. With the added option of matching yourself with people who you are effective battle alongside.. Certainly would create a more local gaming experience worldwide..

 

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Thats alot to get through. Here is a place for suggestions that may accually get read.

 

You have a low battle count and it shows you take too much damage. This is normal for new players that dont understand how to get the most out of their tanks.

Good players have trouble with noobs, noobs have trouble with noobs, asking that question will always get a yes. But please leave all Matchmaking stuff in this fun place http://forum.wotblitz.eu/index.php?/topic/37209-matchmaking-discussion-thread/

 

As for the lobby chat. The only way you will get this is in training rooms. EU serve has lots of different spoken languages. There is even the chance you will be the only english speaker. People can also agree then still do their own thing or just fail to execute the plan.

It can just be a waste of time repeating same instructions and getting bad results.

 

There are lots of good youtube players that do reviews and help with tips.

https://m.youtube.com/channel/UC9pxmwHX5LPRmjVrXBruljg sk8xtrm

https://m.youtube.com/user/MartinDogger Martin Dogger

https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCXR8UhZCwzLfclPohwNCPBg bushka on blitz

Use you time to watch them and how they play. It will be the best outcome for the time you spend.

Even if they are not driving the same tanks as you, watch the play styles and tactics.

There will always be "bad players" so work out how to use them to your best advantage.

With experience and watching better player you can succeed and see the game differently once you understand it better.

 

I started as a bad player, then as I did basics I became ok, with practice I got to a little above average. Here I sat till 8000 battles as I didnt know better. Watching better player (in game and youtube) and with some help I to to where I am now. 

So you have two choices, 1. Complain about the "bad points" or 2. Make yourself better so that you can overcome the "bad points"

 

 

 



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View PostDans79Vet, on 02 August 2017 - 01:46 PM, said:

^^ this.

This is an "Arcade" style game with a little Historic flavor thrown on it.

 

There are some groups that recreate historic conflicts with set tanks and tank setups in the training rooms.

Other then that, enjoy the game as a tank shooter and ignore the many many unrealistic parts.

What battle was won when someone sat in a circle for 100seconds anyway...

 

Or could bounce shots by wiggling, I can just picture Kursk with thousands of tanks facing each other wiggling to the Anthem... UP THE HILL FAST. 


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I appreciate being a low battle count player with high damage may look as.if my playing Id the issue...  The reason my damage and kills vs death is so out of preportion is down to the awful games ive been in the past three days... Which has been the majority of my play since upgrading to profit more for what at first was great games.. As I said shortly after upgrading the matching drastically changed... Lets face it they collect data on playing style etc... Sticking me in a group with three lone wolf gun ho suiciders two sniper and one other stratergy player (if im lucky) leaves no chance against a well matched heads alike team.. Thats getting in close.. Playing mid range or using attack tanks as snipes....  Only a few time have me and another manager to wipe up a seven strong enemy team on our own... As if most well matched enemy teams stay together when there only me or two left they swarm and pummel... So if there a youtube vid or for force field consumable please help me out.. Im not going gun to go into why.. Yet I get bounce angles cover points and various stratergies which i employ yet rarely manager.to exploit due to being one or two left against a team... This is not a noob to the game coincidence... 

Also true to the spirit of my previous s mentioned idea.. If people didnt honour the stratergy agreed the previous mentioned.. (next to the bad/good.report button) there should be a pair me with this player in the futher/dont pair me with this player again button.... Fairly self explanitory in essence.... Any way hopefuly this mighty odd matching scenario may end.. As before i had racked up alot of awards within 50% of the games i have now played.. Before this issue...  now its nearly immposible literaly.. Any how.. Happy tanking ppl...

 



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The thing with famous German tanks like the tiger is that they often fought at long ranges so they could not be damaged by their enemies, which is difficult in blitz due to the small maps and choke points, Russian tactics on the other hand relied on close range combat and as a result fare better in game. It isn’t like there is any kind of bias with the stats of German tanks, they are just more difficult to play in blitz maps

Titus_Scato #13 Posted 26 December 2017 - 03:36 PM

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The German heavy tanks from the VK 30.01 (H) onwards are all 1 tier higher than they should be to represent their historical position.  Ideally there would be no DW2 in Tier 4, and all the other non-premium German heavies dropped down a tier (with their top guns and usually top engines removed.)

 

The Kuro Mori Mini at Tier 6 is what the Tiger I should have been all along, and the VK 45.03 at Tier 7 is close to what the Tiger II should have been.



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Collin you are on the payroll pal that is absolute nosh that you tried selling readers. Look up tiger tank in google one tiger took on forty tanks Russian and drove away long mid and close range, against meds heavies and destroyers. Yes it looked like a block of ballistics wax after a Gatling gun had been let off at it yet it slams you lies to the ground. Now as it is a time in from your post maybe you won’t but if you even find yourself considering spamming my thread with lies again I will have you blocked from commenting on any of my posts again payrolled smear campaigners are not welcome on my threads

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View Postchristeamplayerstfunoobs, on 19 February 2018 - 03:57 AM, said:

Collin you are on the payroll pal that is absolute nosh that you tried selling readers. Look up tiger tank in google one tiger took on forty tanks Russian and drove away long mid and close range, against meds heavies and destroyers. Yes it looked like a block of ballistics wax after a Gatling gun had been let off at it yet it slams you lies to the ground. Now as it is a time in from your post maybe you won’t but if you even find yourself considering spamming my thread with lies again I will have you blocked from commenting on any of my posts again payrolled smear campaigners are not welcome on my threads

What are you on about? 


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View Postmrpgilbert, on 19 February 2018 - 08:48 AM, said:

What are you on about? 

 

I don't know about you, but I'm going anonymous and awaiting further instructions. 

 

It's on.


 


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View Postchristeamplayerstfunoobs, on 19 February 2018 - 04:57 AM, said:

Collin you are on the payroll pal that is absolute nosh that you tried selling readers. Look up tiger tank in google one tiger took on forty tanks Russian and drove away long mid and close range, against meds heavies and destroyers. Yes it looked like a block of ballistics wax after a Gatling gun had been let off at it yet it slams you lies to the ground. Now as it is a time in from your post maybe you won’t but if you even find yourself considering spamming my thread with lies again I will have you blocked from commenting on any of my posts again payrolled smear campaigners are not welcome on my threads

 

Very interesting post, typical for internet users who forgot to think...

There are no proofed records about 1 tiger knocking 40 enemy tanks alone...

The big difference is, that the enemy of the historic Tiger where T34-76, KV1, and Sherman M4 - in our game tier V.

But who will play such a game? I certainly not!

Where is the fun playing with mismatched tanks?

 

I know, in Italy the poor fascists are whining all the time about bad comunist rewriting all history books... we are NOT in Italy, so stop whining. A few german tanks are put a few tiers higher, so what?

This is by no way an historical simulation, there are Ultramarines tanks and Draculas, it is a game, it is about fun. Nobody wants unvincible Tanks, so even noobs can win with them.

 

Even if I may spoil your reading of history books: you will be surprised the germans did NOT win the war!!! :P

 

 

 

 



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I just dont get it Frirst of all, this is a fantasy tank game, and as per officials, it will remain so....and i think this is very personal, for me best tech tree tank is TigerII, love playing E75, RU is one fast meanmachine, E50M best rammer in game.....Jagdpanz=moving fortress, RHM, Grille etc......quite a few very good tanks in german line, not even talking about DW2, for instance i personally hate british tanks, but know at least 2-3 mates that love to play them......this game goes mainly down, however it still keeps the option to choose a line/tank that suits u. Dont like playin german tanks? ok try different ones...

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View PostvonSkaby, on 19 February 2018 - 10:01 AM, said:

 

Very interesting post, typical for internet users who forgot to think...

There are no proofed records about 1 tiger knocking 40 enemy tanks alone...

The big difference is, that the enemy of the historic Tiger where T34-76, KV1, and Sherman M4 - in our game tier V.

But who will play such a game? I certainly not!

Where is the fun playing with mismatched tanks?

 

I know, in Italy the poor fascists are whining all the time about bad comunist rewriting all history books... we are NOT in Italy, so stop whining. A few german tanks are put a few tiers higher, so what?

This is by no way an historical simulation, there are Ultramarines tanks and Draculas, it is a game, it is about fun. Nobody wants unvincible Tanks, so even noobs can win with them.

 

Even if I may spoil your reading of history books: you will be surprised the germans did NOT win the war!!! :P

 

 

 

 

The impotent payroll troll......

hm hm who didn’t win the war? Euro... Angela Merkel (Germany) hmmm the ‘united States of europe’ As it is to be called in The next 8years :’;) you will be suprised to see nasa (Braun) hm hm operation paper clip, the Russian ak47 ,after edition of stg44 by same scientist (stalin did change that in the history books) oh... btw I’m not Italian troll

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View PostvonSkaby, on 19 February 2018 - 10:01 AM, said:

 

Very interesting post, typical for internet users who forgot to think...

There are no proofed records about 1 tiger knocking 40 enemy tanks alone...

The big difference is, that the enemy of the historic Tiger where T34-76, KV1, and Sherman M4 - in our game tier V.

But who will play such a game? I certainly not!

Where is the fun playing with mismatched tanks?

 

I know, in Italy the poor fascists are whining all the time about bad comunist rewriting all history books... we are NOT in Italy, so stop whining. A few german tanks are put a few tiers higher, so what?

This is by no way an historical simulation, there are Ultramarines tanks and Draculas, it is a game, it is about fun. Nobody wants unvincible Tanks, so even noobs can win with them.

 

Even if I may spoil your reading of history books: you will be surprised the germans did NOT win the war!!! :P

 

 

 

 

Also there is no ‘proof’ Joseph Meingler (aka angel of death) the nazi scientist piloted the American mk ultra mind control program for the CIA. Yet it is well known he did, spare the world you attempts at the ‘unless’ it’s broadcast from the bbc it’s official, as your mismatched theory crap is just that, you state who would play in mismatched tanks.... what the hell is your self defeating statement about tiger tanks being in the wrong (mismatched) tier along with others too... do yourself a favour sit down, shut up






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