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GrayAlpha #141 Posted 12 January 2018 - 05:16 PM

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I believe Grille 15 must be improved in terms of gun firepower! I think it should have the same firepower as FV215b 183, because Grille is suffering from "no armour" but FV215b 183 enjoys both armour and gun power.

Titus_Scato #142 Posted 13 January 2018 - 12:12 AM

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View PostGrayAlpha, on 12 January 2018 - 05:16 PM, said:

I believe Grille 15 must be improved in terms of gun firepower! I think it should have the same firepower as FV215b 183, because Grille is suffering from "no armour" but FV215b 183 enjoys both armour and gun power.

 

Lol - Grille doesn’t need armour, it has the speed to run away and relocate when spotted.



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Hey guys! 

Here come actual tier 8-10 stats from EU server.

 

Tier 10

 

Tier 9

 

Tier 8

 

It's time to disclose more further balance adjustments. 

 

First of all we are going to remove some unnecessary modules for several vehicles. We'll start with guns which are not effective, not popular and perform poorly. Complete list of such modules will be revealed later.

 

Tier 9-10

 

FV4202 and Centurion 7/1 are getting alternative gun with HESH as premium shells in update 4.7. After that we will track these vehicles stats and performance very attentively just in case subsequent changes are needed.

BatChat 25t's buff is on the way. Shell reload time will be reduced. 

Foch 155 and Foch are not getting auto-loader - rangefinder and side armor will be improved instead.

IS-4's assailable points will be strengthened.

 

Tier 8

 

Ferdinand will be nerfed due to it's superiority over other tier 8 TD's.

KV-5's radioman turrets will get more armor.

Glacial 112 gun will be equipped with new shells with higher penetration.

 

Tier 7

 

Tiger and Tiger P will be nerfed due to excessive previous buff. The rest of tier 7 heavies are under review. After that adjustments for other classes will be considered (for example light tanks efficiency).



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Cheers RibbleStripe! Great news for the Bat Chat, that is exactly what I said I would like to see done to it in my Bat Chat video from Saturday, so very pleased with that one.

 

Shame about Ferdi, I have only just bought it back :(


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View PostTitus_Scato, on 13 January 2018 - 12:12 AM, said:

 

Lol - Grille doesn’t need armour, it has the speed to run away and relocate when spotted.

 

you played it a lot to make this conclusion?


 


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View Postsk8xtrm, on 22 January 2018 - 12:35 PM, said:

Cheers RibbleStripe! Great news for the Bat Chat, that is exactly what I said I would like to see done to it in my Bat Chat video from Saturday, so very pleased with that one.

 

Shame about Ferdi, I have only just bought it back :(

 

But Ferdi is really OP :(

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View PostZloydd, on 22 January 2018 - 12:40 PM, said:

 

But Ferdi is really OP :(

 

shhhhh no its not :hiding:

 

It is a shame as it is still not a popular tank to see on the battlefield, I would love to see them more often.


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quick question for Zloydd or RibbleStripe: Looking at those charts above, some other Tier X tanks are way out of the remit of the others in its class, are any changes intended for them?

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View Postsk8xtrm, on 22 January 2018 - 01:15 PM, said:

quick question for Zloydd or RibbleStripe: Looking at those charts above, some other Tier X tanks are way out of the remit of the others in its class, are any changes intended for them?

 


Are you ask about FV215b 183 and Maus or no?

sk8xtrm #150 Posted 22 January 2018 - 01:38 PM

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View PostZloydd, on 22 January 2018 - 01:35 PM, said:

 


Are you ask about FV215b 183 and Maus or no?

 

Yeah both those and I was surprised to see the FV215B the top heavy in damage and win rate

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No IS-2 adjustments?

stevo1100r #152 Posted 22 January 2018 - 03:14 PM

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View Postsk8xtrm, on 22 January 2018 - 01:38 PM, said:

 

Yeah both those and I was surprised to see the FV215B the top heavy in damage and win rate

 

Must be something wrong with my FV215b then...;)



RA1D_SCHNITZEL_ #153 Posted 22 January 2018 - 03:30 PM

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How big is the sample size of these statistics? I really can't imagine the FV215b being as dominant as it seems in the statistics. The explanation I could think of is that it is a tank loved by very good players so there will be more players towards the 65%-WR-bracket that play it compared to tanks like the IS-8 that I imagine to be loved more by 55%-players. Also the big difference with the FV4202 between Damage and Winrate is astonishing. I can understand it on the FV183 because of its peculiar playstyle but it's really weird on the FV4202. There is no reason why the ratio between Damage and Winrate should be a lot different with the FV4202 compared to the Leo...

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Nerf Dracula hit points...1100 would be ok

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leave dracula alone

 


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My fv215b is definitely cursed...

 


 


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Again: The FV215b thing seems wrong to me. If you look at Blitzstars TankCompare the FV215b doesn't seem half as good as in the stats WG has shown right now.

 

Btw. am I reading right? The IS-4 is receiving a BUFF?! Sure...


 

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Zloydd, firstly BIG thumbs up for sharing the data and the upcoming balance changes. Really appreciated. 

 

Looking the information you provided, there are some surprises:

  • I could bet a medium gold bundle the Fv215b is not OP since it has been one of weaker tier X heavies. I need to check what is the current situation when I get new data set from Blitzstars.com
  • I find it hard to find rationale for the further buff of IS-4? I mean it’s already one of the best performing tier X tanks. Could you please open up the rationale here?
  • Would the data prove that the previous Grille nerfs went too far?

 

And when you look at tier VII (impossible tier to balance thanks to completely broken premium tanks), you may want to look at Sturer Emil - the WORST tank in the game? I am just confused how Tiger P's "minor" (compared to Sturer Emil) OPness got corrected so fast, but Sturer Emil is let to struggle update after update? It is just ridiculously uncompetitive. Please give it Dicker Max's engine.

 

I also think your graphs are made in a way that may create bias to the numbers. You need to compare players’ stats in a tank to their other tier X tanks. It’s very different if a person gets 60% WR with Maus, IS-4/7 or he reaches the same WR with e.g Grille or other weaker tanks. 

 


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View PostRibbleStripe, on 22 January 2018 - 10:10 AM, said:

Hey guys! 

Here come actual tier 8-10 stats from EU server.

 

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Tier 8

 

 

Tier 7

 

Tiger and Tiger P will be nerfed due to excessive previous buff. The rest of tier 7 heavies are under review. After that adjustments for other classes will be considered (for example light tanks efficiency).

Sorry ribblestripe, whilst I can understand most of what you are saying , and he reason behind them, why do you not nerf the very OP defender, and I know that others will say it's a premium, that doesn't stop you putting it one tier up!

Also you quote nerfing Tiger and Tiger P, and yet you only quote down to tier 8 graphs.....are they really as OP as the defender shows, and if you do show the graphs, what about other tanks being so much above the other tanks in the tier?

Please provide the graphs, and reading about these tanks!


 
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View Post0x0defac3d, on 22 January 2018 - 02:24 PM, said:

No IS-2 adjustments?

 

We will improve IS-2 later




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