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llo1 #161 Posted 22 January 2018 - 10:11 PM

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View PostRibbleStripe, on 22 January 2018 - 10:10 AM, said:

Hey guys! 

Here come actual tier 8-10 stats from EU server.

 

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Tier 7

 

Tiger and Tiger P will be nerfed due to excessive previous buff. The rest of tier 7 heavies are under review. After that adjustments for other classes will be considered (for example light tanks efficiency).

Sorry ribblestripe, whilst I can understand most of what you are saying , and he reason behind them, why do you not nerf the very OP defender, and I know that others will say it's a premium, that doesn't stop you putting it one tier up!

Also you quote nerfing Tiger and Tiger P, and yet you only quote down to tier 8 graphs.....are they really as OP as the defender shows, and if you do show the graphs, what about other tanks being so much above the other tanks in the tier?

Please provide the graphs, and reading about these tanks!


 
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View Post0x0defac3d, on 22 January 2018 - 02:24 PM, said:

No IS-2 adjustments?

 

We will improve IS-2 later

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View Postsuperschnitzelkoenig, on 22 January 2018 - 05:05 PM, said:

Again: The FV215b thing seems wrong to me. If you look at Blitzstars TankCompare the FV215b doesn't seem half as good as in the stats WG has shown right now.

 

Btw. am I reading right? The IS-4 is receiving a BUFF?! Sure...

 

Why you compare BlitzStars and our statistics? Blitzstars has a very little number of players. And FV215b is pretty good after improve.

 

About IS-4. It's not improve, it's error correction

 



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View Postsk8xtrm, on 22 January 2018 - 01:38 PM, said:

 

Yeah both those and I was surprised to see the FV215B the top heavy in damage and win rate

 

Maus and 215b183 are very specific tanks. 

Therefore, in the graphs, they look like this. Maus has a high winrate and low damage because it is armored. The FV is the opposite, because it has a terrible gun.



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View Postllo1, on 22 January 2018 - 10:11 PM, said:

Sorry ribblestripe, whilst I can understand most of what you are saying , and he reason behind them, why do you not nerf the very OP defender, and I know that others will say it's a premium, that doesn't stop you putting it one tier up!

Also you quote nerfing Tiger and Tiger P, and yet you only quote down to tier 8 graphs.....are they really as OP as the defender shows, and if you do show the graphs, what about other tanks being so much above the other tanks in the tier?

Please provide the graphs, and reading about these tanks!

 

We will show top-level statistics. Maybe sometimes we will show other tiers.

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View Postjylpah, on 22 January 2018 - 06:04 PM, said:

Zloydd, firstly BIG thumbs up for sharing the data and the upcoming balance changes. Really appreciated. 

 

Looking the information you provided, there are some surprises:

  • I could bet a medium gold bundle the Fv215b is not OP since it has been one of weaker tier X heavies. I need to check what is the current situation when I get new data set from Blitzstars.com
  • I find it hard to find rationale for the further buff of IS-4? I mean it’s already one of the best performing tier X tanks. Could you please open up the rationale here?
  • Would the data prove that the previous Grille nerfs went too far?

 

And when you look at tier VII (impossible tier to balance thanks to completely broken premium tanks), you may want to look at Sturer Emil - the WORST tank in the game? I am just confused how Tiger P's "minor" (compared to Sturer Emil) OPness got corrected so fast, but Sturer Emil is let to struggle update after update? It is just ridiculously uncompetitive. Please give it Dicker Max's engine.

 

I also think your graphs are made in a way that may create bias to the numbers. You need to compare players’ stats in a tank to their other tier X tanks. It’s very different if a person gets 60% WR with Maus, IS-4/7 or he reaches the same WR with e.g Grille or other weaker tanks. 

 

 

These charts are obvious for the players. But when balancing the vehicles we analyze much more data and charts. 

We show you these charts not to argue about our balancing approach. It is constant and we will stick to it in future. We just want you to make sure how well certain tank can perform controlled by players who know what to do on the battlefield. We don't want upcoming changes to be an unpleasant surprise for you - this is why we disclose them in advance.

For example. We claim Ferdinand is over-powered and should be nerfed. You say "it's too bad, why are you nerfing it?". The charts show why - Ferdinand stand out among other vehicles.



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Where is the T110E5 Buff promised in 4.6 ?
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View PostAigle2, on 23 January 2018 - 08:37 AM, said:

Where is the T110E5 Buff promised in 4.6 ?

 

it's info for 4.7 and later

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Zloydd, Cheers for the response.

 

One more question, Will the Tiger P receive a bigger nerf than the Tiger?  I do not understand why the Tiger P received the same DPM as the Tiger. The Tiger P has much better armour, frontal weak spots buffed and the same DPM.  Tiger's although better than they were, do not feel OP but Tiger Ps with the same DPM and more armour feel very OP.

 

I would love to see the Tier 7 stats if you have them please as the Tiger feels like it is in a good place but the Tiger P feels to strong.


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Please leave Tiger... Is good as it is. Finally It does what supose to do

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View PostZloydd, on 23 January 2018 - 03:37 PM, said:

 

These charts are obvious for the players. But when balancing the vehicles we analyze much more data and charts. 

We show you these charts not to argue about our balancing approach. It is constant and we will stick to it in future. We just want you to make sure how well certain tank can perform controlled by players who know what to do on the battlefield. We don't want upcoming changes to be an unpleasant surprise for you - this is why we disclose them in advance.

For example. We claim Ferdinand is over-powered and should be nerfed. You say "it's too bad, why are you nerfing it?". The charts show why - Ferdinand stand out among other vehicles.

 

Thanks. I agree Ferdi is OP at the moment. But IS-4 is also very, very good. It has never been "underpowered" in any means. The previous notes communicated the IS-4 change as a buff, that's why I was asking. I will enjoy IS-4 while it lasts ;)

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View PostZloydd, on 23 January 2018 - 02:51 PM, said:

 

Why you compare BlitzStars and our statistics? Blitzstars has a very little number of players.

 

 

Zloydd, as you likely know, Blitz community has plenty of data freaks - myself included. It would fantastic to get better access to the Blitz data. For example, getting a JSON stats data dump of the games played during previous month. I have developed R-scripts to analyze Blitz data (JSON) from BlitzStars.com. I think the current tools allow me to process JSON files up to 50GB and do very detailed analysis of the data. I know, providing such a data would be extra work for you guys. Just an idea.

 

Again, big thanks for being active here at the forums and sharing the information with us.


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View Postjylpah, on 23 January 2018 - 10:58 AM, said:

 

Thanks. I agree Ferdi is OP at the moment. But IS-4 is also very, very good. It has never been "underpowered" in any means. The previous notes communicated the IS-4 change as a buff, that's why I was asking. I will enjoy IS-4 while it lasts ;)

 

about IS-4. We don't improve tank. We correct errors in armoring

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Thanks for the stats. Interesting how differently tanks perform on EU-NA servers.

 

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View Postromsitsa, on 23 January 2018 - 11:53 AM, said:

Thanks for the stats. Interesting how differently tanks perform on EU-NA servers.

 

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Interesting to see the OP premium meds...

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Why is the fv215b poor in NA but op in Eu?

 

buff fv215b because of NA results? Or is it just balanced?

 

 


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View Post_AdrianT_, on 23 January 2018 - 02:52 PM, said:

Why is the fv215b poor in NA but op in Eu?

 

buff fv215b because of NA results? Or is it just balanced?

 

 

 

Very odd indeed, just shows that their stats are useless hard to balance.

 

Does balance team have any game experience? 

Do they balance WOT PC too and sometimes get a little confused?

 

 

 

 

 



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Time to get some boost vk4503. Especially when u market it, as Tank is like the tiger 2, but in tier 7... 



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Sorry to hear the Tiger I getting nerfed its been more fun to play, oh well will still keep and await until its re-buffed again :(

 






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