Jump to content


Blitz Economics - Is it worth the money - 121B (80%) - WZ-112-2 (88%) - WZ-111 (95%)


  • Please log in to reply
2193 replies to this topic

Ihwan7452 #2181 Posted 19 January 2021 - 08:07 PM

    Private

  • Player
  • 4322 battles
  • 1
  • [1-DB]
  • Member since:
    11-16-2014

View Poststubbo66, on 19 January 2021 - 04:46 PM, said:

A rather peculiar offer in popups currently, if only because it popped up 3 weeks ago as well!

 

It is the Snowstorm Jagdtiger.8,8 tier VIII German tank destroyer being offered for 5,000 gold with a garage slot with 9 equipment slots unlocked, special fixed camo, 30 days of premium time, 500,000 credits, all discounted at 62%. 

 

This is a rare tank, grab it now because it could be at least another year before it comes back again....(although I said that 3 weeks ago...!)

 

The recent offer included regular JgTiger 8,8. I did consider buying it just for the meme because I bought the Snowstorm one 3 weeks ago.


Edited by Ihwan7452, 19 January 2021 - 08:08 PM.


gulfuroth #2182 Posted 19 January 2021 - 09:59 PM

    Junior Sergeant

  • Player
  • 39890 battles
  • 197
  • [WTF]
  • Member since:
    01-02-2017

View Poststubbo66, on 19 January 2021 - 04:39 PM, said:

Thanks Gulfuroth, I do have access to a switch, but it's not mine so won't be monitoring on it.

 

Might be worth just having a dedicated switch offers thread for those that have it.

 

Makes sense. Happy to check on a regular basis and update there. Shall you own/open it?



Wildsow226 #2183 Posted 21 January 2021 - 11:25 AM

    Sergeant

  • Player
  • 22908 battles
  • 260
  • [DSQN]
  • Member since:
    09-06-2014

Hmm...Long time since stubbo wrote here.

I‘m a bit worried. Hopefully he is safe and sound and just too busy for the forum in the moment.:)



gulfuroth #2184 Posted 21 January 2021 - 12:09 PM

    Junior Sergeant

  • Player
  • 39890 battles
  • 197
  • [WTF]
  • Member since:
    01-02-2017

View PostWildsow226, on 21 January 2021 - 11:25 AM, said:

Hmm...Long time since stubbo wrote here.

I‘m a bit worried. Hopefully he is safe and sound and just too busy for the forum in the moment.:)

Yah, LOL, like 2 days. 



stubbo66 #2185 Posted 21 January 2021 - 01:08 PM

    First Sergeant

  • Player
  • 81533 battles
  • 1,986
  • [49DIV]
  • Member since:
    06-29-2014

View PostIhwan7452, on 19 January 2021 - 08:07 PM, said:

 

The recent offer included regular JgTiger 8,8. I did consider buying it just for the meme because I bought the Snowstorm one 3 weeks ago.

 

Thanks for pointing that out, I looked at the camo and thought it was the snow one again....I'll update


Edited by stubbo66, Today, 04:15 PM.


stubbo66 #2186 Posted 21 January 2021 - 01:15 PM

    First Sergeant

  • Player
  • 81533 battles
  • 1,986
  • [49DIV]
  • Member since:
    06-29-2014

Today another 5.5 collector tank for sale for the first time, the M3 Light tier 3 Russian light tank, bundled with 9 unlocked slots, camo, 7 days of premium, 20 rare gold boosters and 5 x5 XP certificates.

 

Dirt cheap, and you can even save on this bundle in the Amazon app store

 

  Bundle    
Apple/Google/Steam App Stores £2.99 (€3.43 est.)    
Amazon App Store £2.39 (€2.76 est.)    
Amazon App Store
(bought with Amazon Coins at max 20% discount)
£1.92 (€2.20 est.)
(cheapest possible price)
   

 

Another tier 3 light tank...not great DPM, penetration or alpha, great aim time though and really fast at 61kph...and a 169% credit coefficient...which sounds good, but you don't earn much at tier 3 in the first place, so it's a bit of a mute point.....but it's cheap at least.

 

Value for money 85% Cheap, that's about it really. Buy it for the premium time, get the tank for free!

 

Useful links

 



stubbo66 #2187 Posted 21 January 2021 - 01:20 PM

    First Sergeant

  • Player
  • 81533 battles
  • 1,986
  • [49DIV]
  • Member since:
    06-29-2014

View PostWildsow226, on 21 January 2021 - 11:25 AM, said:

Hmm...Long time since stubbo wrote here.

I‘m a bit worried. Hopefully he is safe and sound and just too busy for the forum in the moment.:)

 

Still on my winter holiday...trying not to sit at my PC every day! No pleasing some people!  :medal:



Wildsow226 #2188 Posted 21 January 2021 - 01:57 PM

    Sergeant

  • Player
  • 22908 battles
  • 260
  • [DSQN]
  • Member since:
    09-06-2014
That’s fine, you deserve your holidays! Enjoy it!:)

Wildsow226 #2189 Posted 21 January 2021 - 02:14 PM

    Sergeant

  • Player
  • 22908 battles
  • 260
  • [DSQN]
  • Member since:
    09-06-2014

View Postgulfuroth, on 21 January 2021 - 12:09 PM, said:

Yah, LOL, like 2 days. 


oops, LOL.:teethhappy:

Felt like more...;)



stubbo66 #2190 Posted 21 January 2021 - 02:36 PM

    First Sergeant

  • Player
  • 81533 battles
  • 1,986
  • [49DIV]
  • Member since:
    06-29-2014

Almost time for the Chinese new year, time to roll the tank bundes out. So today we have in store the Chinese WZ-112-2  and  WZ-111 tier 8 heavy tanks. You can get the WZ-111 for 5,000 gold with a garage slot, 9 equipment slots and a rare camo with a 55% discount, the WZ-112-2 for 7,500 gold with a garage slot, 9 equipment slots, a legendary camo, and an attachment at 50% discount. Finally a bundle of both of those plus an additional 15 x5 XP certificates on each for 10,500 gold

 

So let's deal with the WZ-112-2 first.....sales history since it launched.

 

Sale Date Price Discount Slots Camo Other Notes
25/1/19 Average £100 --- --- --- --- Crate tank
24/5/19 12,500 Gold --- --- --- --- ---
24/5/19 15,000 Gold 25% 9 Legendary Attachment ---
27/9/19 10,000 Gold --- --- --- --- ---
27/9/19 12,500 Gold 30% 9 Legendary Attachment ---
27/9/19 15,000 Gold 50% 9 Legendary Attachment + WZ-111 WZ-111 includes 9 slots and a camo as well
22/5/20 Crates --- --- --- --- Chinese invasion crate event
19/8/20 £11.99 45% --- --- --- ---
19/8/20 £14.99 80% 9 Legendary Attachment + Type-62 Type-62 includes 9 slots and a camo as well
25/9/20 Crate --- --- --- --- Luck VIII
2/10/20 Crate --- --- --- --- Containers collection
20/1/21 7,500 Gold 50% 9 Legendary Attachment ---
20/1/21 10,500 Gold 65% 9 Legendary Attachment + 15 x5 XP Certificates + WZ-111 WZ-111 fully equipped as well

 

Let's also look at the WZ-111 history. It is usually bundled, so it's nice to see it on its own again.

 

Sale Date Price Discount Slots Camo Other Notes
29/6/18 £38.99 --- 9 --- --- ---
21/9/18 11,500 Gold 20% 9 --- --- ---
14/12/18 10,000 Gold 15% --- --- --- ---
22/11/19 5,000 Gold --- --- --- --- Black Friday
22/5/20 Crates --- --- --- --- Chinese Invasion Crates
13/8/20 5,000 Gold 62% 9 Rare 14 Days Premium Time Pop up offer
25/9/20 Crates --- --- --- --- Lucky VII
20/1/21 5,000 Gold 55% 9 Rare --- ---
20/1/21 10,500 Gold 65% 9 Rare 15 x5 XP Certificates + WZ-112-2 WZ-112-2 fully equipped as well

 

So initial observations, the tanks are cheaper than offered before, but in the case of the WZ-112-2 that's based on the bundled content, it was cheaper before but unequipped.

 

 

Compensation is 2,900,000 credits for the WZ-112-2 (7,250 gold), 2,200,000 credits fot  the WZ-111 (5,500 gold), 580,000 credits for the Legendary camo and 216,000 for the rare camo (1,450 and 540 gold equivalent) and 345,600 for the attachment (864 gold equivalent)

 

It's worth looking at all the offers broken down I think here. Starting with the WZ-112-2

 

  No Discount Discounted Proportion
Attachment 864 436 5.81%
9 Slots 5062.5 2,552 34.03%
Camouflage  1,450 731 9.75%
Garage 250 126 1.68%
Tanks 7,250 3,655 48.73%
Total 14,876.5 7,500  

 

That calculates out as a 49.58% discount. Let's rate the tank.

 

Tank Effectiveness 86%
Gun 82% DPM isn't great, and the penetration is a little low, but it's a typical 122mm gun. The alpha is a standard 400 as well. Aim time is slow and dispersion is not great either. So basically it fits right in with all the IS and WZ heavy tanks at tier 8! They get the job done, but nothing spectacular. It does have 1 degree less gun depression that the Glacial, but other than that they are the same gun.
Armour 93% The Glacial strength was in its armour, but the WZ-112-2 although it has the same profile, is a bit weaker. 20mm more on the hull but 45mm less on the turret. That doesn't mean the 112-2 is weak, far from it. It's almost the default second choice to the Object 252U in tournament battles if you know how to use the armour.
Manoeuvrability 75% at 42kph it's 10kph faster than the glacial although it has slightly worse traverse. This is nice, as getting in and out of trouble with heavies is always an issue and speed is important. 
Flexibility / Versatility 75% Having speed in a strong heavy tank should not be underestimated. Relocating when your teammates need support is a crucial skill for any tanker and the added speed here is critical to lifting the WZ-112-2 significantly in the flexibility category. Beyond that it's just a copy and paste of the IS/WZ heavy tank line.
Fun Factor 71% OK, let's just say IS style gameplay in tier 8 heavies is generally...well, a bit boring! You glean your fun from being effective, bouncing shells and winning battles. It's not horrible, but you won't raise a giggle either. 
Offer value for money 88% Much better value now, 

 

Overall recommendation

 

SNOG MARRY AVOID Putting the price aside, you have so many options in the IS/WZ category in the tech tree, you need to be sure you want another one. Like the Object 252U, this is stronger than the tech tree tanks if used properly, so that may swing it for you. Worth a punt, especially if you don;t have the 252U.

 

Now onto the WZ-111.

 

  No Discount Discounted Proportion
9 Slots 5062.5 2,230 44.59%
Camouflage  540 238 4.76%
Garage 250 110 21.20%
Tanks 5,500 2,422 48.54%
Total 14,876.5 7,500  

 

That calculates out as 55.96% discount. But that's only because they value the tank at only 5,500 gold, tier 8 tanks should be valued at around 7,500 for consistency and discounting improving this offer to 62.55%. But what about the tank itself?

 

Tank Effectiveness 77%
Gun 82% Exactly the same gun as on the WZ-112-2 and the Glacial...but with only 5 degrees of depression. 215mm penetration, 400 alpha with average aim time and dispersion for a heavy in this class. Absolutely typical for this type of tank.
Armour 87% Pike nosed armour differs from the glacial and the 112, but follows the basic same principles of any IS / WZ variant. It is pretty much like an IS-5 with 20mm more armour on the turret....as if you needed it!
Manoeuvrability 71% Only 35kph, and some of the terrain resistance numbers aren't so good. It has quite a lot less engine power than all of the other IS/WZ variants and you feel that in driving it.
Flexibility / Versatility  73% Side scraping and hull down are the order of the day here...no different playstyle than any other IS / WZ, brawling etc...tinse...repeat
Fun Factor 70% As with all IS / WZ tanks, they get the job done. No bells or whistles, just armour and troll guns. You will maintain a decent enough win rate at least in these tanks, but it won't send the pulse racing.
Offer value for money 95% Great value offer!

 

Overall recommendation

 

SNOG MARRY AVOID Another IS/WZ clone. Maybe a little bit better than tech tree versions, so may be worth a grab if you have the spare cash and don't fancy the heavy grinds.

 

Bundle Calculation

 

  No Discount Discounted Proportion
Attachment 864 309 2.94%
9 Slots x 2 10,125 3,622 34.50%
Camouflage  x 2 1,990 712 6.78%
Garage x 2 500 179 1.70%
Tanks x 2 12,750 4,561 43.44%
30 x5 XP certificates 3,120 1,116 10.63%
Total 29,349 10,500  

 

That calculates out as a 64.22% discount, pretty much on the nose.

 

Bundle recommendation

 

Offer value for money 95% Excellent bundle, two great tanks....the WZ-111 is clearly the weaker, so you may be better off skipping the bundle and just buying the WZ-112-2

 

Pricing

So last step, what does it all mean in real money!

 

Gold Source Gold cost per coin WZ-111 (5K) WZ-112-2 (7.5K) Bundle (10.5K)
bundle (3250) bought on iOS £0.00277 (€0.0031) £11.83 (€15.21) £20.75 (€22.85) £29.04 (€31.95)
bulk bundle (37500) bought on iOS £0.00227 (€0.00254) £11.33 (€12.47) £17.00 (€18.70) £23.80 (€26.18)
mid bundle (3250) bought on Amazon £0.00207 (€0.00232) £10.68 (€11.74) £16.02 (€17.62) £22.42 (€24.66)
bulk bundle (37500) bought on Amazon £0.00180 (€0.00201) £8.89 (€9.78) £13.33 (€14.67) £18.67 (€20.53)
mid bundle (3250) bought using Amazon Coins £0.00165 (€0.00185) £8.54 (€9.40) £12.81 (€14.09) £17.94 (€19.73)
bulk bundle (37500) bought using Amazon Coins £0.00144 (€0.00161) £7.11 (€7.82) £10.67 (€11.71) £14.93 (€16.43)
Best possible savings   48% Max saving    

 

 

Useful links


Edited by stubbo66, 21 January 2021 - 02:37 PM.


gulfuroth #2191 Posted 21 January 2021 - 05:25 PM

    Junior Sergeant

  • Player
  • 39890 battles
  • 197
  • [WTF]
  • Member since:
    01-02-2017

Hey Stubbo, shouldn't you update  the title of the thread to  WZ-112-2  and  WZ-111 



sandooMD #2192 Posted Yesterday, 10:37 AM

    Private

  • Player
  • 1765 battles
  • 3
  • [_W0LF]
  • Member since:
    04-20-2013

today's offer in store: The Gold Dragon 121B + slots + equipment + camo + 25x EXP certificates + avatar = 15.000 gold. Worth it?


Edited by sandooMD, Yesterday, 10:39 AM.


Endtastic #2193 Posted Yesterday, 10:51 AM

    First Sergeant

  • Player
  • 40717 battles
  • 1,691
  • [LOCA]
  • Member since:
    09-03-2012

View PostsandooMD, on 22 January 2021 - 11:37 AM, said:

today's offer in store: The Gold Dragon 121B + slots + equipment + camo + 25x EXP certificates + avatar = 15.000 gold. Worth it?

 

Pretty much yes, still a very good tank.



stubbo66 #2194 Posted Today, 04:24 PM

    First Sergeant

  • Player
  • 81533 battles
  • 1,986
  • [49DIV]
  • Member since:
    06-29-2014

In-store yesterday we have the 121B tier X Chinese medium tank in the store for 15,000 gold with a garage slot, Legendary camo and 9 slots unlocked with a 35% discount. 

 

Let's have the sales history to put the price in context.

 

Sale Date Price Discount Slots Camo Other Notes
16/2/18 Crates --- --- --- --- Averaged about £100
27/7/18 £89.99 40% 9 --- --- ---
14/12/19 20K Gold 25% --- --- --- ---
8/2/19 17.5K Gold 35% --- --- --- ---
3/6/19 17.5K Gold --- --- Legendary --- ---
17/1/20 15K Gold --- --- --- --- ---
22/5/20 Crates --- --- --- --- Chinese invasion crates
10/8/20 15K Gold 35% 9 Legendary --- ---
18/9/20 Crates --- --- --- --- Alpha Predator Containers
6/11/20 15K Gold 45% 9 Legendary 25 x5 XP certificates ---
23/1/21 15K Gold --- 9 Legendary 25 x5 XP certificates ---

 

Hmm, no discount listed, but exactly the same offer as back in November which was listed as 45% discount....so no real savings here then. But let's break it down anyway.

 

Compensation for the tank is set at 5,900,000 credits, that's a gold equivalent of 14,750, the camo is 1,020,000 credits (2,550 gold equivalent). 

 

  No Discount Discounted Proportion
9 Equipment Slots 7,875 4,215 28.10%
Camouflage 2,550 1,365 9.10%
Garage 250 134 0.89%
Tank 14,750 7,895 52.63%
25 x5 XP Certificates 2,600 1,392 9.28%
Total 28,025 15,000  

 

OK, so no discount listed but actually calculated out at 41% but it's no better of a deal than last time at all. WG seem to have a ceiling at the moment of 15K gold for their tier X tanks, they are not willing to drop below that price point regardless of the bundle.

 

The 121B was the first tier X premium sold in the game, so it leads the way pricing wise so this offer is very disappointing now.

 

Time for the real money bit.....

 

Gold Source Gold cost per coin 121B (15K)    
bundle (3250) bought on iOS £0.00277 (€0.0031) £41.49 (€46.47)    
bulk bundle (37500) bought on iOS £0.00227 (€0.00254) £34.00 (€38.08)    
mid bundle (3250) bought on Amazon £0.00207 (€0.00232) £31.06 (€34.79)    
bulk bundle (37500) bought on Amazon £0.00180 (€0.00201) £26.96 (€30.20)    
mid bundle (3250) bought using Amazon Coins £0.00165 (€0.00185) £24.85 (€27.83)    
bulk bundle (37500) bought using Amazon Coins £0.00144 (€0.00161) £21.57 (€24.16)    
Best possible savings   48% Max saving    

 

Now I'm not going to get into the debate here around whether tier X tanks should just be sold in-store, but I will say that at below £30 which I would hope most could achieve this is a bargain price for a fully equipped tier X tank. Of course, I use the term bargain very loosely here, it is cheap in terms of the other game content, but in real-world terms it is definitely too expensive.

 

OK, so that's enough of the money side, what about the way they handle, are they any good?

 

Tank Effectiveness 84%
Gun 80%

Great DPM, good penetration and a good alpha set the tank up solidly to start with. The aim time is excellent, though not as good as the WZ-121. Dispersion is also good. Gun depression is OK at 6 degrees, which is low for a medium at tier X. Overall it's a good performer. Also has great shell velocity so hardly any lead needed on distant targets.

Armour 90% Rock-solid turret, the hull isn't so tough, but is well angled and outperforms the likes of the T-62 and OBJ 140. All around a very tough tank in the right situations
Maneuverability 82% A solid 56KPH and a decent traverse speed sets up the tank nicely to get in and out of trouble.
Flexibility / Versatility  72% Like all meds, you are reliant on good cover and good mobility. The 6 degrees of gun depression is the biggest weakness in this regard. It's OK but does struggle a little on ridges to get the gun over to really protect itself. So can the 121B fulfill multiple roles on lots of different terrains, yes, but only with good cover. This is true of all mediums of course.
Fun Factor 81% Very good tank, it is outshone a little by the tech tree WZ-121 that has 420 alpha and a 0.91 second aim time, but that doesn't detract from how well it plays and looks if you put on the shiny gold camo!
Offer value for money 80% Now for a tier X tank that you don't have to spend a penny on to equip, you have ti all here. It's not pocket money for sure, but in the WG pricing model it is a good deal. I've dropped the offer value, as WG have not dropped the price, so it is less valuable in my book now if they aren't going to reduce it further.

 

Overall recommendation

 

SNOG MARRY AVOID

If you can afford the asking price and are willing to pay it, then it's a fun tank to play. The deal is now good enough to recommend, worth a punt for a bit of bling

 

Useful links

 


Edited by stubbo66, Today, 04:25 PM.





24 user(s) are reading this topic

1 members, 23 guests, 0 anonymous users


    MaoTseMing