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Replicant_2 #981 Posted 13 September 2019 - 12:33 PM

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View PostCorpsetaker, on 13 September 2019 - 12:21 PM, said:

No I don't need to check anything. I know exactly what I was saying. It is a scam and unfortunately too many people fall for it. 

I see your point but still it’s not a scam. You know exactly what you get and price for it. What you get is exactly what you were told you’d get, stats are there, armour models as well, lots of reviews to make up your mind before you part with your cash.

It’s no more a scam than a £100 t-shirt which really is no different that a £5 one but for a little crocodile (or other) logo. If you have the money to burn and get some kicks from it it’s nobody else’s business 


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Lol, tier viii is infested with them, I took my IS-3D out to join in, as I am a gold noob :)

15 battles, 9 wins so far, 60% in tier viii heavy is unheard of for me, loving the influx of other gold noobs...

 


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View PostReplicant_2, on 13 September 2019 - 12:33 PM, said:

I see your point but still it’s not a scam. You know exactly what you get and price for it. What you get is exactly what you were told you’d get, stats are there, armour models as well, lots of reviews to make up your mind before you part with your cash.

It’s no more a scam than a £100 t-shirt which really is no different that a £5 one but for a little crocodile (or other) logo. If you have the money to burn and get some kicks from it it’s nobody else’s business 

But what exactly do you get from these two Tier 8's tthat justify spending that kind of money? I have no shortage of money, but I also spend that money wisely. 



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I doubt anybody will be interested in todays little offering from WG, well maybe a few..... we kick off with the first ever sale (outside auctions) of the IS3 Defender  and the second sale of the T28 Defender tier 8 autoloading Russian heavy and American tank destroyer. Being sold for 15,000 gold individually with only a garage slot and no discount. Or a bundle of both with 9 slots unlocked on each for 25,000 gold.

 

So here's the IS3 Defender sales history, such as it it. I've excluded auctions.

 

Sale Date Price Discount Slots Camo Other Notes
22/2/16 --- --- --- --- --- Event Award
Today 15,000 Gold --- --- --- --- ---

 

And here's the T28 Defender sales history.

 

Sale Date Price Discount Slots Camo Other Notes
22/2/19 17,000 Gold --- --- --- --- First Sold
Today 15,000 Gold --- --- --- --- ---

 

Now let's also look at the 25K bundle and how the savings relate.

 

  No Discount Discounted Proportion
Attachment * --- --- ---
7 Days Premium Time --- --- ---
9 Slots 10,125 4,306 25.23%
Camouflage --- --- ---
Garage 500 312 1.25%
Gold ---   ---
Credits ---   ---
Tank 29,500 18,380 73.52%
50 Combat XP Booster --- --- ---
50 Crew XP Boosters --- --- ---
50 Free XP Boosters --- --- ---
50 Credit Boosters --- --- ---
Total 40,125 25,000  

 

Now my calculator says that's 37.69% Slightly under 40%, but a saving of 15,125 Gold to buy both and have them both equipped as well. It's a big saving....but is your wallet big enough to make it worth while.

 

The compensation for buying either it if you already have them (if you're silly enough to do that) will be 5,900,000 credits (14,750 gold equivalent). Here's the real money bit....

 

Gold Source Gold cost per coin 15K Bundle 25K Bundle  
bundle (3250) bought on iOS £0.00277 (€0.0031) £41.49 (€46.47) £69.15 (€77.45)  
bulk bundle (37500) bought on iOS £0.00227 (€0.00254) £34.00 (€38.08) £56.66 (€63.46)  
mid bundle (3250) bought on Amazon £0.00207 (€0.00232) £31.06 (€34.79) £51.77 (€57.98)  
bulk bundle (37500) bought on Amazon £0.00180 (€0.00201) £26.96 (€30.20) £44.94 (€50.33)  
mid bundle (3250) bought using Amazon Coins £0.00165 (€0.00185) £24.85 (€27.83) £41.42 (€46.39)  
bulk bundle (37500) bought using Amazon Coins £0.00144 (€0.00161) £21.57 (€24.16) £35.95 (€40.27)  
Best possible savings   48% Max saving    

 

For information, here are the slot values for either tank if you don't buy the bundle.

 

Slots Credits Gold %age increase of bundle
3 600,000 1,500 10%
6 1,275,000 3,187.5 21%
9 2,025,000 5,062.5 34%

 

There are some very big numbers there....what warrants those prices, especially as one tank is 3 years old?

 

Let's look at the IS3 Defender first....one of many, many tier 8 heavy tanks....mostly meh...so does the defender stand out?

 

Tank Effectiveness B+
Gun B+ Well, it's a typical troll Russian gun, 400 alpha, 221 pen, nothing special there, slow aim time and awful dispersion...it does have 7 degrees of gun depression but the obvious selling point is the fact it is an autoloader, meaning it has a clip of 3 shells with an inter-clip reload of 4.71 seconds, but a full clip reload of 23.21 seconds. There are upsides and downsides to this. In a crunch situation, as long as three shells can get the job done, it does allow you to out DPM your immediate opponent. The downside is that the total DPM for the tank is only 1884 which is 350 less than the M4 mle 49 for example. So like all autoloaders, it is very situational and you'll need to move in and out of engagements while reloading.
Armour A- However, it is a Russian heavy tank, so it has the armour to still work on the front line while it is reloading so as long as you can use your pike nose effectively and protect your lower plate you can look after yourself during the tediously long reload times.
Manoeuvrability B- It's OK for a heavy, but it's a heavy so it's not going anywhere fast and its traverse is nothing special.
Fun Factor B When the Defender first came out back in 2016 it was the first autoloader in the game, and really was a special and fun thing to drive. It's still a popular tank today often seen in tournament play so it clearly has a place, but the long reload time and troll gun take the gloss off a little. Is it any more fun than any other IS variant, I would say not really, it's just different, but with a slight edge when you need it.
Offer value for money F They want how much for a 3 year old tank...are they having a laugh. WG have deliberately kept the Defender as a special tank since it came into the game, and that I suppose is why they think they can justify the price...well I don't. If you can get a tech tree IS3 for free (grind aside) or an IS5 for being in clan for very little gold, then I consider this daylight robbery.

 

Overall recommendation

 

SNOG MARRY AVOID At this price, it's a big no from me

 

Now onto the T-28 Defenderunlike the Defender, there are lot's of excellent tier 8 tank destroyers, can it stand out from the pack?

 

Tank Effectiveness B-
Gun B+ 400 alpha, but only a 225 pen leaves the T28 lacking a touch against its contemporaries. Aim time and dispersion are also worst in tier. and it's rock bottom in DPM as well. But as with the IS3 its role is to unload it's 3 shell clip to create burst damage. It does that with a 5.34 inter clip reload, and a 20.4 full reload. On this score it outdoes the IS3 comfortably. In a full pitched battle, you're left wanting on the damage front, but get into a one on one engagement and you'll probably have the edge, just don't get caught on a reload or your toast.
Armour B+ The armour is slightly better than the regular T28 Defender, and it needs the armour as it is a bit of a dog when it comes to mobility. It has very obvious weaknesses though that are easy enough to exploit so best used from solid cover where possible.
Manoeuvrability B- On the plus side it's faster than the T28 prototype, 50% faster, but that's not saying too much as 30kph is not great either. This is driven from the larger power plant and increased power to weight ratio. Traverse is also better, but again we're talking relative here and it's still pretty slow. Get one on one with a med and kiss your rear goodbye.
Fun Factor B- Slow tanks like the T28 (all variants) are a struggle to play as you have to rely on going to one place and hope the battle works out for you. If it does, and your team don't all desert you then it can be fun. I must be a masochist as I always loved the proto, but this version just lacks its punch as the proto has a 7.05 second reload and 700 more DPM. The autoloader doesn't really improve in any area apart from its mobility, I toyed with a C+...but I'll be generous today!
Offer value for money C-  OK, a little different here than the Defender as it's been out for less than a year and is only on its second appearance in the store, so I'll cut it a little more slack, but it is still a lot of money, and as I said above, it doesn't add a lot more that makes it compelling over the tech tree model to warrant this amount of money.

 

Overall recommendation

 

SNOG MARRY AVOID At this price, again it's a big no from me

 

Ad a final score for the bundle

 

Offer value for money D Just look at the prices and work out what else you could get for that money. A decent meal for you and your loved one at a nice restaurant, the best part of a weeks shopping at Aldi, you can even buy an Amazon Fire 7 tablet for less than that. Yes the deal saves you money, but we're talking lots of money....I'm not going to recommend that kind of spend to anyone. And you have to consider who this is aimed at, people that don't have either tank, so newer players, non-collectors....just a big NO from me.

 

Other options to consider

Tier 8 is awash with options, here are just a few

 

IS-5 Tier 8 Clan Supply Premium B+/B If you have played enough to get to clan supply level 10, just get yourself an IS-5 and be done with it, you won't need another IS tank variant.
IS-3 Tier 8 Tech Tree B+/B More of the same, but won't cost you anything but a bit of time to grind.
IS-6 Tier 8 Premium B+/B The original credit earner, a staple of the IS line. Superseded by many tanks nowadays, but still a good earner and even has a choice of guns.
Löwe Tier 8 Premium B+/B Or for something a bit different, but also with excellent credit earnings, go German.
Caernarvon Tier 8 Tech Tree A-/A- A different profile for a heavy, concentrating more on the gun than protection. Excellent DPM but low alpha. Another tank best-played hull down. More adaptable though. 
Object 252U Tier 8 Premium B+/A Currently in-store, but a lot more expensive at 12.5K Gold. Doesn't have the weaknesses the EXP does though, but the gun is not quite as good either.
T28 Proto Tier 8 Tech Tree A-/B+ I much prefer the tech tree tank to the T28 defender, it just hits a lot harder, but is slower....but the pain it causes is just more fun, what can I say, I like killing tanks!

 

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View PostCorpsetaker, on 13 September 2019 - 12:56 PM, said:

But what exactly do you get from these two Tier 8's tthat justify spending that kind of money? I have no shortage of money, but I also spend that money wisely. 

That is besides the point though, isn’t it?

I’m also not going anywhere near this deal (or any other currently in the store) even though technically I could afford it, like you say, the value isn’t there.

My only issue is calling it a scam, it’s just extremely bad value for money but nobody is dishonesty tricked against their will to buy them.

But then it’s descending into the same area as the “rigging” conversation so I’m going to leave it here


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Corpsetaker #986 Posted 13 September 2019 - 02:36 PM

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View PostReplicant_2, on 13 September 2019 - 01:35 PM, said:

That is besides the point though, isn’t it?

I’m also not going anywhere near this deal (or any other currently in the store) even though technically I could afford it, like you say, the value isn’t there.

My only issue is calling it a scam, it’s just extremely bad value for money but nobody is dishonesty tricked against their will to buy them.

But then it’s descending into the same area as the “rigging” conversation so I’m going to leave it here

But it is a scam at the end of the day. WG has these whales believing if they spend that kind of money on these tanks they are going to roll up in battle and destroy everything. Why do you think there is such a big emphasis on WR?



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newbies will buy it 

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View Posttolgayasar99, on 13 September 2019 - 04:18 PM, said:

newbies will buy it 

Defo! They believe they will have a leg up over other players or that it will put them up there in the same league.



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View PostCorpsetaker, on 13 September 2019 - 03:36 PM, said:

But it is a scam at the end of the day. WG has these whales believing if they spend that kind of money on these tanks they are going to roll up in battle and destroy everything. Why do you think there is such a big emphasis on WR?


Anyone is free to buy what they want, there are more then enough reviews on the tanks to make informed purchases.

Marketing will always try to make stuff appear better to sell units, If people drop $50+ on a digital good with no research prior then its not WG fault. 

Item rarity can cause price inflation, I want the T28-D but not at this price. 

 

Great reviews Stubbo!

 

 

 



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T28 Proto Tier 8 Tech Tree A-/B+ I much prefer the tech tree tank to the T28 defender, it just hits a lot harder, but is slower....but the pain it causes is just more fun, what can I say, I like killing tanks!

 

 

I totally have to disagree on this one. The "increased dpm" is misleading -as it always happens with autoloaders. Once it gets to good position T28 prot is a force to be reckon but it takes it ages to get anywhere. The 50% increase in speed juts make a world of difference. Also worth mention the slight increase in frontal armour which also does help a lot, getting much more bounces more regularly. All in all, T28 Def is a MUCH better tank (in fact much more of a heavy than a TD) than the regular version. 

 

It would also be good to compare the difference in prices for the bundle. I think it was 27k or 27,5k (not sure) so that's a mere 10% decrease in 7 months, which, TBH is quite underwhelming. 


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View Poststubbo66, on 13 September 2019 - 01:13 PM, said:

Other options to consider

Tier 8 is awash with options, here are just a few

 

IS-5 Tier 8 Clan Supply Premium B+/B If you have played enough to get to clan supply level 10, just get yourself an IS-5 and be done with it, you won't need another IS tank variant.
IS-3 Tier 8 Tech Tree B+/B More of the same, but won't cost you anything but a bit of time to grind.
IS-6 Tier 8 Premium B+/B The original credit earner, a staple of the IS line. Superseded by many tanks nowadays, but still a good earner and even has a choice of guns.
Löwe Tier 8 Premium B+/B Or for something a bit different, but also with excellent credit earnings, go German.
Caernarvon Tier 8 Tech Tree A-/A- A different profile for a heavy, concentrating more on the gun than protection. Excellent DPM but low alpha. Another tank best-played hull down. More adaptable though. 
Object 252U Tier 8 Premium B+/A Currently in-store, but a lot more expensive at 12.5K Gold. Doesn't have the weaknesses the EXP does though, but the gun is not quite as good either.
T28 Proto Tier 8 Tech Tree A-/B+ I much prefer the tech tree tank to the T28 defender, it just hits a lot harder, but is slower....but the pain it causes is just more fun, what can I say, I like killing tanks!

 

It's odd but I'm making plenty of credits with the Chieftain/T95. It's too late in the night or early in the morning to find a link to the credit coefficient but I was pleasantly surprised. Now if only I was able to win a bit more than two games out of five.

I know we're talking about fun factor and pew pew pew guns lack fun, but if someone wants a Defender because they need a credit grinder...


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Bundles seem to be the order of the day at the moment, but this time we're dealing with a pair of tech tree premiums. We have the Löwe and the T26E4 Super Pershing tier 8 German Heavy and American Medium tanks. Being sold together for 12,000 gold and including a garage slot each, 9 equipment slots on each and a Legendary camo on each. This is all discounted 60%, but is it actually money well spent?

 

So here's the Löwe sales history, 

 

Sale Date Price Discount Slots Camo Other Notes
Launch 7,500 Gold --- --- --- --- Tech Tree Premium
23/11/18 6,000 Gold 20% --- --- --- Black Friday
16/5/19 7,500 60% 9 Yes --- ---
24/6/19 --- --- --- --- --- 5th Birthday Crates
13/8/19 6,000 65% 9 Yes --- Pop up offer

 

And here's the T26E4 sales history.

 

Sale Date Price Discount Slots Camo Other Notes
Launch 7,200 Gold --- --- --- --- Tech Tree Premium
2/7/18 --- --- --- --- --- USA 15 in 1 crate tank
23/11/18 5,760 Gold 20% --- --- --- Black Friday
9/7/19 7,200 65% 9 Yes 500,000 Credits, 30 Days Premium  

 

The compensation is 3,000,000 credits for the Löwe (7,500 gold equivalent) and 2,880,000 credits for the T26E4 (7,200 gold equivalent). But you will not be compensated for the camo if you have it, they actually have a value of 1450 gold each, which is a significant amount, but would break the offer if they gave that as well.

 

Now let's also look at the 12K bundle and how the savings relate.

 

  No Discount Discounted Proportion
Attachment * --- --- ---
7 Days Premium Time --- --- ---
9 Slots 10,125 4,306 38.57%
Camouflage 2,900 1,233 10.27%
Garage 500 312 1.77%
Gold ---   ---
Credits ---   ---
Tank 14,700 6,250 57.48%
50 Combat XP Booster --- --- ---
50 Crew XP Boosters --- --- ---
50 Free XP Boosters --- --- ---
50 Credit Boosters --- --- ---
Total 28,225 12,000  

 

Now my calculator says that's 57.48% Slightly under 60%, but a saving of 16,225 Gold to buy both and have them both equipped as well. It's a big saving....but is your wallet big enough to make it worthwhile?

 

Gold Source Gold cost per coin 12K Bundle    
bundle (3250) bought on iOS £0.00277 (€0.0031) £33.19 (€37.18)    
bulk bundle (37500) bought on iOS £0.00227 (€0.00254) £27.20 (€30.46)    
mid bundle (3250) bought on Amazon £0.00207 (€0.00232) £24.85 (€27.83)    
bulk bundle (37500) bought on Amazon £0.00180 (€0.00201) £21.57 (€24.16)    
mid bundle (3250) bought using Amazon Coins £0.00165 (€0.00185) £19.88 (€22.26)    
bulk bundle (37500) bought using Amazon Coins £0.00144 (€0.00161) £17.26 (€19.33)    
Best possible savings   48% Max saving    

 

For information only, here are the slot values for either tank.

 

Slots Credits Gold %age increase of bundle
3 600,000 1,500 13%
6 1,275,000 3,187.5 27%
9 2,025,000 5,062.5 42%

 

So compared to the recent defender bundle, this is much more affordable, but are the tanks worth spending your pocket money on?

 

Let's look at the Löwe first....one of many, many tier 8 heavy tanks....mostly meh...so does it stand out?

 

Tank Effectiveness B+
Gun A Great DPM and penetration, the alpha is not as high as the big IS tanks, but at 310 it's no slouch. The rate of fire is high though, at 7.1 per /minute on an 8.42 second reload which catches many a player out. Aim time is great as well and so is the dispersion. 8 degrees of depression also add to the plus points of the tank. Top-notch then for the gun. 
Armour A- The turret is very strong, with a tiny hatch and very small spots weak to pramo you need to be really close to hit them. The upper hull is very strong frontally and the lower plate is also very troll as well. The sides are strong enough to side scrape with making this tank very good in town and in-country.
Manoeuvrability B- It's slower than many heavies at only 35kph and has the lowest power to weight ratio as well but somehow it has the best traverse speed of any heavy. 
Fun Factor B I like the Löwe a lot, it's very effective in brawls especially if you can keep the reds at a decent distance. I've used it in tournaments, but it's not overly popular in that role up against IS tanks, but the added height does help in penetrating when face hugging. It somehow just isn't an exciting tank to play, and I think it should be. I think that's down to its speed more than anything, true of most heavies, and I might be a bit harsh with the B, but this is subjective after all and many would vote it higher I suspect.

 

Overall recommendation

 

SNOG MARRY AVOID The one major thing going for this tank, as well as being very effective is it earns shed loads of credits, you will definitely want to keep this tank once you have one.

 

Now onto the T26E4 Super PershingIt's a medium Jim, but not as we know it!

 

Tank Effectiveness A-
Gun A Good DPM, good penetration and an average alpha (for a medium tank). Excellent aim time but dispersion is not great, so not an ideal sniper With a reload of 6.06 seconds and 9.89 RoF there isn't much to complain about here.
Armour A+ The super pershing is all about the spaced armour on the turret and the frontal hull. This is a very hard tank to take down frontally, especially in mediums, but even heavy tanks struggle. Your best hope is to snipe the hatch on top, There is no better frontally armoured tank in tier 8.
Manoeuvrability B- There had to be a trade-off somewhere, and carrying all of that extra armour comes at the cost of manoeuvrability. It still has an OK speed of 40kph, but that's heavy tank speed. When meds get around you then being CoD'd is a fact of life.
Fun Factor B+ This is another very good tank. very effective but a little hard to fulfill a true medium roll, it's a heavy-um I guess. It does have the gun that will cause the reds a lot of problems, so is good to use in brawls face to face. It just lacks the agility to really light things up.

 

Overall recommendation

 

SNOG MARRY AVOID This is another excellent credit-earning tank. Very effective, and if you are patient with it then it will reward you handsomely.

 

Ad a final score for the bundle

 

Offer value for money A- You could have bought both tanks separately recently for 65% discount, so buying together with only a 60% discount isn't as good an offer, but it is still pretty decent. And if you don't have either and are in the market for your first couple of premiums then this is a much better option that the far pricier Defender bundle in-store currently. Tier 8 is awash with premium tanks and is the most overpopulated tier in the game, but both of these tanks do still stand up well still and are worthy credit earners of that there can be no argument. But be sure you want to buy two tanks, and buy with Amazon coins as well to keep the cost down.

 

Other options to consider

Tier 8 is awash with options, but as this is a bundled offer of two tanks I'll omit this as a mixture of medium and a heavy doesn't have any other in-game comparison.

 

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Out of likes so :great:

Gr8 work as usual, I’d say Lowe is one of best for newbie/noob players as it gives them a fighting chance, it certainly did me...

I so regret my 1st premium in tier viii being a KV-5 :arta:


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Thanks Stubbo,

 I couldn't get on with the Super Pershing and sold it lol mine didn't hae that incredible armour like other ones lol BUT the Lowe well after owning it as a noob and selling it I bought it on a deal after the buff and love the machine for ratings tbh that skinda what I use it for or if I want extra creds I bang on the ole booster and away we go !!!



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Thanks Stubbo .....always read your reviews . Useful and selfless work .

Hmm selective pop up offer for 12k of gold for £10 then a bundle for 12.5k . Coincidence ?


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