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stubbo66 #1 Posted 08 June 2018 - 01:09 PM

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OK, so by now we've all read about how SP is being retired (along with the beloved timers), but there are lots of little intricate details you need to know, and we need to answer the question, should you spend your existing SP now, or convert it after 5.0 releases.

 

Let's start with the new slot credit cost table published by WG today that will apply from version 5.

 

  Slot 1 Slot 2 Slot 3 Cost to equip fully
Tier 1 2,000 2,200 2,500 20,100
Tier 2 5,000 8,000 9,000 66,000
Tier 3 20,000 2,5000 30,000 225,000
Tier 4 40,000 50,000 60,000 450,000
Tier 5 80,000 90,000 100,000 810,000
Tier 6 100,000 120,000 140,000 1,080,000
Tier 7 150,000 170,000 190,000 1,530,000
Tier 8 200,000 225,000 250,000 2,025,000
Tier 9 250,000 275,000 300,000 2,475,000
Tier 10 300,000 350,000 400,000 3,150,000

 

If you are in a clan with an appropriate supply level, you will save 5% off of those costs, so you will actually only end up paying as follows.

 

  Slot 1 Slot 2 Slot 3 Cost to equip fully
Tier 1 1,900 2,090 2,375 19,055
Tier 2 4,750 7,600 8,550 62,700
Tier 3 19,000 23,750 28,500 213,750
Tier 4 38,000 47,500 57,000 427,500
Tier 5 76,000 85,500 95,000 769,500
Tier 6 95,000 114,000 133,000 1,026,000
Tier 7 142,500 161,500 180,500 1,453,500
Tier 8 190,000 213,750 237,500 1,923,750
Tier 9 237,500 261,250 285,000 2,351,250
Tier 10 285,000 332,500 380,000 2,992,500

 

Now, on retiring SP, WG will convert the existing SP based on a number of offers, or if you do nothing, then they will auto convert in a future release at the rate of 12 credits per SP. So what have they said, and what does it mean.

 

To start with, boosters. WG have announced they will retire the SP boosters, which if you have no SP you don't need boosters. Fair enough....so what are they worth. A standard SP booster (silver) will convert to 80 SP, a rare SP booster (blue) will convert to 200 SP and a special SP booster (purple) will convert to 280 SP.

 

So I'll use my own account details here to demonstrate the math and let you work out your own compensation.

 

  SP Value On my account SP compensation
Standard SP Booster (Silver) 80 633 50,640
Rare SP Booster (Blue) 200 312 62,400
Special SP Booster (Purple) 280 421 117,880
    Total 230,092

 

So that's a healthy amount of SP, and probably a lot more than the boosters would probably have yielded if used, so that's pretty decent.

 

Now I still have 319,165 boosters on my account, giving me a v5.0 converted total of 550,085 SP to convert.

 

But is that the best thing to do, should we wait for v5.0 and then convert the SP, or should we use them all up now. Let's first look at what we can spend the SP on because we can't use them on the actual equipment anymore.

 

  Quantity Gold Value SP Cost SP Per Gold Value
Premium Time 30 Days 2500 220,000 88
Premium Time 7 Days 1250 80,000 64
Gold 120 Gold 120 120,000 1000
Credits 1,200,000 3000 100,000 33.33
Credits 60,000 150 5,000 33.33

 

So what does that mean? Well, the best conversion in terms of value is to go to credits.  DO NOT CONVERT TO GOLD....that is a horrible conversion rate of 1000 SP for each gold coin. Don't do it! Converting to premium time, who buys premium time any more with the certificates now dropping in crates all the time, which still leaves credits as the obvious choice again...so that looks like a no-brainer.

 

Note that converting SP to credits in these bundles gives no added value to the auto conversion later, basically, 1 SP will convert to 12 credits no matter how many you have.

 

So again, using my account, I have after the booster conversion, 550,085 SP, converted to credits will give 6,601,020 credits. 

 

Now to the crux of the question, if I spend my SP now on equipment, will I get more value for money than waiting and using the credits later, and does that change significantly with the supply level of my clan.

 

Let's compare the old slot costs with the new costs, now we know WG value an SP at 12 credits......

 

Tank Tier Old level 1 cost New level 1 cost Old level 2 cost (SP)

Old level 2 cost

(credit equivalent)

New level 2 cost Old level 3 cost (SP)

Old level 3 cost

(credit equivalent)

New level 3 cost
Tier 1 2,000 2,000 10,900 130,800 2,200 12,100 145,200 2,500
Tier 2 5,000 5,000 12,900 154,800 8,000 14,400 172,800 9,000
Tier 3 20,000 20,000 15,000 180,000 25,000 16,600 199,200 30,000
Tier 4 40,000 40,000 17,000 204,000 50,000 18,900 226,800 60,000
Tier 5 80,000 80,000 19,100 229,200 90,000 21,200 254,400 100,000
Tier 6  100,000 100,000 21,100 253,200 120,000 23,500 282,000 140,000
Tier 7 150,000 150,000 23,200 278,400 170,0000 25,700 308,400 190,000
Tier 8 200,000 200,000 25,200 302,400 225,000 23,800 285,600 250,000
Tier 9 250,000 250,000 27,300 327,600 275,000 30,300 363,600 300,000
Tier 10 300,000 300,000 29,300 351,600 350,000 32,600 391,200 400,000

 

So let's explain what we are seeing here. To start with, the credit cost for tier 1 equipment is not changing at all. But now taking tier 1 tanks as an example we can see a huge change in the relative costs of equipment. Previously a level 2 on a tier 1 would require 10,900 SP to unlock. And if SP is valued at 12 credits, that would equate to 130,800 credits. But in version 5.0 it will now only cost you 2200 credits. That's massive, but what does that mean......?

 

It means that if you are currently researching any equipment on tier 1 tanks....stop it right now...cancel it. Let the version 5 release come out, convert that SP to credits, then buy the equipment as you will save 128,600 credits in real terms on a level 2 slot.

 

This pattern is the same, but getting smaller all the way up until tier X where a level 3 slot will actually cost slightly more in credits than it does today (8,800 more).

 

STOP USING SP RIGHT NOW!!! Wait for release 5...you will save an enormous amount of credits in doing so. A demonstration will help...

 

As I said before, I have 319,165 SP in my account, let's say I spent that all on tier 8 level 3 equipment slots. That would get me 13.4 slots. But when that SP turns to credits (x12) giving me 3,829,980 credits, I would then be able to buy 15.3 slots. At lower tiers, the savings are even bigger.

 

What about if your clan get's the 5% supply bonus, well you still get the x12 credits so you end up with even more credits and a lower equipment cost Today I could get 14.11 slots and after version 5 I would get 6.12 slots.

 

Now the only exception to this is going to be level 3 tier X slots where you would be better off spending the SP now because the cost will go up very slightly. Using my account again, I could get 9.79 slots today, and 9.75 after conversion. But bear in mind all of the boosters that will also get converted as well, so you will get a huge credit windfall to help spend on the slots as well.

 

So it's very simple, stop using SP right now, except for tier X level 3 slots, wait for the update and then enjoy the savings.

 



bunnybun123 #2 Posted 08 June 2018 - 01:21 PM

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I was waiting for this :) Thx Stubbo for the very clear analysis. Guess it's time to stop the timers on the Glacial I'm currently running.


Peter_Moosey #3 Posted 08 June 2018 - 01:31 PM

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But if you want to have the special camo for tanks with 6 equipment slots , you might have to buy the 5 th of 6 th slot now ;)

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View Poststubbo66, on 08 June 2018 - 01:09 PM, said:

 

So it's very simple, stop using SP right now, except for tier X level 3 slots, wait for the update and then enjoy the savings.

 

 

Unless you are not prepared to wait 6 weeks until Update 5.0 comes out before upgrading a tank you want to play, in which case spend the spare parts.

 

But if you don't mind waiting, now's the time to play tanks that you have already upgraded to the level you want.



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View PostPeter_Moosey, on 08 June 2018 - 01:31 PM, said:

But if you want to have the special camo for tanks with 6 equipment slots , you might have to buy the 5 th of 6 th slot now ;)

 

I never unlock slots 8 & 9.  The camo is nice, but not worth wasting spare parts on, for me anyway.

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This should be pinned. I don’t know why you are a community contributor Stubbo. Thank you very much for this analysis 


 


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How did you get the value in gold for the prem time? id di it buy dividing 220000 (30 days prem) by 1000 (1 gold to 1000sp rate) so i got 220 gold from it. I think you may have a better method so what did you do?

                                                                                                   

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View PostPeter_Moosey, on 08 June 2018 - 01:31 PM, said:

But if you want to have the special camo for tanks with 6 equipment slots , you might have to buy the 5 th of 6 th slot now ;)

 

Why would you want to advertise how well kitted out a Tank was ...  

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Big thanks again, Stubbo for great analysis. This works for me well since I am just about to unlock Vert Stabs to E4, but I will hold that for a while and then just grind silver for new tanks to purchase.

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View PostRRBuilderYT, on 08 June 2018 - 01:44 PM, said:

How did you get the value in gold for the prem time? id di it buy dividing 220000 (30 days prem) by 1000 (1 gold to 1000sp rate) so i got 220 gold from it. I think you may have a better method so what did you do?

 

Got it from the store...that's how much it costs if you just buy it yourself !

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View Postjylpah, on 08 June 2018 - 02:03 PM, said:

Big thanks again, Stubbo for great analysis. This works for me well since I am just about to unlock Vert Stabs to E4, but I will hold that for a while and then just grind silver for new tanks to purchase.

 

If you plan to wait for WG instead of playing the tank right now...

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Nothing wrong with playing a tank without equipment.....though I now regret fully equipping and using the timers on my Chieftain MK6 when I won it.

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Thank you for your work. I appreciate that very much. At one point I think that many players can achieve a higher benefit. If you buy the 30 days package for 220000 SP, you have the opportunity to earn more credits. The equivalent of the package in the currency of credits is 220000 * 12 (2.640.000). Depending on how well you play it will bring an estimated advantage of 20000 per game on average. 2,640,000 through 20,000 gives a total of 132 games. Or from 4.4 games per day. This consideration only applies if you do not notecertificates and play a premium tank from time to time. Or have I completly miscalculated?



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To quote everyone’s favourite privilaged General, bugger me with a fish-fork! Well done WarGaming, nice play there. 

 

Mind you it took long enough. And we still have crate tanks but that is a different matter again. The few of us with the 3.h8 profile pics can now retire back to usual. (See left, the fist pic)



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Stubbo66, Brilliant right up as always!

 

I noticed some people mention the camo, Aside from the camo actually looking good the resupply value on this camo is going to be free so any tank you think you will be playing regularly or any tanks you will use to grind credits often I think may be viable to spend spare parts on to get it up to six bits of equipment if you have not already. It will be worth it in a long term return on converted spare parts. In tier X as an example it will save you 3,000 credits per battle so over 100 battles you will save 300,000 credits or over 1000 battles you will save 3,000,000 credits or in the grand scheme I have played 11889 battles in Tier X, if I had free camo for all them I would have saved 35,667,000.

 

Edit: I may be wrong about the resupply value, I cannot check at the moment but if it is 3,000 like I think it is then it would be worth the spend! :)


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nice information, but

 

1. we dont know when 5.0 will come

2. i dont what to be at a disadvantage the whole time with tier 8 prem and tier 10 tanks.



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View Postsk8xtrm, on 08 June 2018 - 03:10 PM, said:

Stubbo66, Brilliant right up as always!

 

I noticed some people mention the camo, Aside from the camo actually looking good the resupply value on this camo is going to be free so any tank you think you will be playing regularly or any tanks you will use to grind credits often I think may be viable to spend spare parts on to get it up to six bits of equipment if you have not already. It will be worth it in a long term return on converted spare parts. In tier X as an example it will save you 3,000 credits per battle so over 100 battles you will save 300,000 credits or over 1000 battles you will save 3,000,000 credits or in the grand scheme I have played 11889 battles in Tier X, if I had free camo for all them I would have saved 35,667,000.

 

Edit: I may be wrong about the resupply value, I cannot check at the moment but if it is 3,000 like I think it is then it would be worth the spend! :)

 

6 slots = 3 slots level 1 + 3 slots level 2?

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View PostSinFFX1, on 08 June 2018 - 03:21 PM, said:

nice information, but

 

1. we dont know when 5.0 will come

2. i dont what to be at a disadvantage the whole time with tier 8 prem and tier 10 tanks.

 

It is the next update!

 

View PostAstaldo57, on 08 June 2018 - 03:30 PM, said:

 

6 slots = 3 slots level 1 + 3 slots level 2?

 

Exactly

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View PostKurtvonHammerstein, on 08 June 2018 - 04:46 PM, said:

Thank you for your work. I appreciate that very much. At one point I think that many players can achieve a higher benefit. If you buy the 30 days package for 220000 SP, you have the opportunity to earn more credits. The equivalent of the package in the currency of credits is 220000 * 12 (2.640.000). Depending on how well you play it will bring an estimated advantage of 20000 per game on average. 2,640,000 through 20,000 gives a total of 132 games. Or from 4.4 games per day. This consideration only applies if you do not notecertificates and play a premium tank from time to time. Or have I completly miscalculated?

 

I think you have it right.

 

The way I calculate this is: I play 50 games per day with a 60% WR in a tier 8 premium tank earning about 50000 credits per win. So that's 1.5 million credits PER DAY, which gives 45 million credits in 30 days. Plus something for losses too. So, because I don't have tons of prem certs lying around, for me it's a no-brainer to use my spare parts to buy as much as premium time as possible.



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Top work as always Stubbo, I salute you sir!




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