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Grille 15 Buff

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Poll: Grille 15 (30 members have cast votes)

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Does grille need buff?

  1. Yes (22 votes [73.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 73.33%

  2. No (8 votes [26.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 26.67%

What should be buffed?

  1. Accuracy (5 votes [16.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 16.67%

  2. Engine (16 votes [53.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 53.33%

  3. Armour (4 votes [13.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 13.33%

  4. DPM (5 votes [16.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 16.67%

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TheNoobDeleter1 #1 Posted 10 September 2018 - 04:51 PM

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Why is WG nerfing it, buff it its so bad. Buff the HP to 2000 and increase gun depression to -6. Return the horsepower and increase traverse.

Xur_32 #2 Posted 10 September 2018 - 06:08 PM

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View PostTheNoobDeleter1, on 10 September 2018 - 04:51 PM, said:

Why is WG nerfing it, buff it its so bad. Buff the HP to 2000 and increase gun depression to -6. Return the horsepower and increase traverse.

 

Playing the Grille as it is now makes no sense, where even to beggin

First of all: It loses the full traversing turret that the WT and Rhm have and WG even nerfed a while ago the rotation angle, I think before is was 100 degrees (50 each side) 

The DPM is good, but not enough to make up for having absolutely 0 armor, I'm not saying give it 5k DPM but Obj 263 is faster than Grille and the DPM is 4.000 or even the 268 have almost the same DPM having armor that can actually bounce shells and good mobility too.

Talking about mobility I don't get the nerf to his engine, the only defense is the speed and the camo. 50 km/h is good enough but is the time to get to that speed and above all that pathetic traverse speed... The Grille is just a 152mm gun on tracks with amor enough to bounce machine gun bullets and turns much slower than a Heavy Tank hull with a naval gun on top (I'm talking about the 183), I mean, the Jg.Pz. E100 with all invested on traverse do almost 27 degrees as the 130 tons monster it is and the Grille with his 40 tons all invested on traverse too only do 32 degrees... I mean.. heights 90 tons less and turns almost at the same rate? 

You can say that it's a TD and he have to turn slowly, well then the 183 with his almost 43 degrees per second + rotating turret what?

 

I'm starting to feel some British Bias with the HESH on tanks and the super OP HE on the British ships...

 

Back to the Grille, the camo is bad too, like very bad... You can see the camo % on a app called Map Inspector and the Grille have the second lowest camo value along all the Tier X TDs, just behind the Jg.Pz. E100... WG said the camo value is equivalent to the height of the tank but It will much more sense that it depend on the volume of the tank, sure the Grille is tall but is so thin and it's such a light weight on tier X...

 

I get that the Grille is supposed to have 0 armor and I'm fine with it but then it should have some extra health to make up for it, literally if you get spotted (that will happen every single game) and just 2 HE from a 15cm gun hit you (that is pretty common on Tier X), the game already ended.

1700 is such a low hitpool and even with the extra health it only reaches 1805 so is still as fragile. Giving it 2000 health may be too much but I have another suggestion. On WoWs (World Of Warships) the torpedoes are the most devastating think on the game capables of clearing a full health "heavy" in literally less than a second, but almost every ship have a % of reduction of their damage, going from very low % on low tiers "meds" and being up to 56% on some Tier 9 and 10 "heavys" 

So my propose is that the tanks get a similar thing protecting from HE damage, it will make paper tanks much greater being able to endure a bit more and balancing out the HESH on the British tanks. It's not that crazy of an idea because on the PC version of WoT they have a equipment that reduces the damage taken from the HE of the artillery so it's already working on PC. I'm not saying that a E5 (because it's the Tier 10 heavy that more HE eats) gets a 56% reduction on the HE damage it takes because it will make HE useless, but since HE (usually) deals 50% more damage than the regular non premium ammo, I'm saying that paper tanks gets a 20/30% HE damage reduction, since the HE will still make more damage than the regular ammo but less than the devastating damage that keeps people out of grinding paper tanks lines.

 

So in conclusion, buff above all the camo rating and the traverse speed, also a bit of DPM buff won't be bad   

 

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It's just my opinion so please don't kill me.

Also sorry about any mistakes I could make, English is not my language so sorry beforehand.

 

Have a nice day and bye :)

 

 

PS: The edits are correcting grammar mistakes

 

 


Edited by Xur_32, 10 September 2018 - 06:25 PM.


TheNoobDeleter1 #3 Posted 10 September 2018 - 07:39 PM

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Yep 100% correct. Why does obj263 have more armour, same speed and more dpm?? dosent make sense

player_9877543210 #4 Posted 10 September 2018 - 10:05 PM

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263 has pathetic gun arc with 7 degree each side with crappy -4 gun depression.Gun mantlet is weak against gold rounds. Sorry but obj 263 deserves to get best dpm in tier 10 since it has the lowest alpha damage.

Edited by alshammari87, 10 September 2018 - 10:05 PM.


SinFFX1 #5 Posted 10 September 2018 - 11:28 PM

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i dont think that the grille has poor camo, i mean just run camo net, and you almost invisible... just like the fv183b


player_9877543210 #6 Posted 10 September 2018 - 11:57 PM

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View PostSinFFX1, on 10 September 2018 - 11:28 PM, said:

i dont think that the grille has poor camo, i mean just run camo net, and you almost invisible... just like the fv183b

No.Grille 15 has one of the worst camo ratings in td standarts.%15 when standing still and %9 when moving is one of the worst values in game.



SinFFX1 #7 Posted 11 September 2018 - 07:48 AM

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View Postalshammari87, on 11 September 2018 - 01:57 AM, said:

No.Grille 15 has one of the worst camo ratings in td standarts.%15 when standing still and %9 when moving is one of the worst values in game.

 

sounds strange to me, why is it like that, i mean it literlly lives from its camo


DtheHun #8 Posted 11 September 2018 - 08:26 AM

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I didn't vote.  You have a poll with a yes or no question, if I answer no it doesn't need a buff then I have to select the kind of buff it needs in order to vote.  I don't think it needs a buff.  If it does, then maybe a small mobility buff but it's meant to be a long range sniper so no to camo or accuracy.

Titus_Scato #9 Posted 11 September 2018 - 02:37 PM

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View PostTheNoobDeleter1, on 10 September 2018 - 04:51 PM, said:

Why is WG nerfing it, buff it its so bad. Buff the HP to 2000 and increase gun depression to -6. Return the horsepower and increase traverse.

 

I agree with you about the gun depression, but disagree about everything else.

 

The original Grille was OP, mobility like a light tank with a TD gun.  That's why it was nerfed.  We don't need that version back, thanks.



RA1D_SCHNITZEL_ #10 Posted 11 September 2018 - 08:28 PM

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It has probably been a bit overnerfed but I dont have it so I wont say too much. I heavily disagree on the HE protection part. Its what makes these tanks challenging and fun to play. If they had HE protection they would have to be nerfed in some other area and that would make them less specific to drive. The Rhm and the WT are easily as vulnerable to HE as the Grille and both are great tanks nevertheless.

 

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Pururut #11 Posted 11 September 2018 - 09:07 PM

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Tier 10 meds need a long due buff. I say we replace 250mm pen APCR rounds with 300mm pen APDS or 330mm APFSDS rounds as they were actually used.HEAT should also be replaced with HEATFS, raising penetration potential from 300mm to 400mm. Or perhaps our beloved tier 10 td and heavy players can just quit whining about their ever slowly normalized tanks and apply some skill on top of using WASD and mouse aim.

Edited by Pururut, 11 September 2018 - 09:07 PM.


achimbeniamin #12 Posted 12 September 2018 - 12:51 PM

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I like to eat Grille's mornings on breakfast with my WT. I play it only when i have x5 on it. Now, it lays in my garage gather dust. Maybe it will become an engine buff, and then we will talk about it. Until then, WT all the way.

 


Edited by achimbeniamin, 12 September 2018 - 12:52 PM.


BaronVeyer #13 Posted 08 April 2020 - 11:57 AM

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View PostSinFFX1, on 11 September 2018 - 07:48 AM, said:

 

sounds strange to me, why is it like that, i mean it literlly lives from its camo

 

More like dies from the lack of it. :trollface:



jylpah #14 Posted 08 April 2020 - 01:41 PM

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IMO Grille needs a traverse buff, camo buff, wider gun arch and/or bit (1-2 deg) more gun depression.

 

None of these are listed in the poll....


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minitelrose #15 Posted 08 April 2020 - 06:07 PM

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Forgot which of the buff the grille thread i wrote my entire opinion. But that poll shows a list that’s way too short.

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I want just that, and replay files.

 






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