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Update 5.4 su-122-54 DPM broken Buff

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LoFo_1 #1 Posted 21 September 2018 - 04:07 PM

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So I just looked at the Update 5.4 preview (https://blitzhangar....ate/5-4-preview) and it looks like the su-122-54 is going to get a DPM buff. I dont think this will stay but if it does and wargaming implements this in the next update prepare to buy your su-122-54 cause its going to be the No.1 DPM tank in the game. They are buffing its base DPM from 3285 to 3755. For comparison the current No.1 DPM tank the Jagdtiger has base DPM of 3510. Its going to have well over 4k DPM. Thats nuts. I expect this to be fixed very soon but if they buff the tank in 5.4  I will be ready. 

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i agree i have never played that tank but it seems a bit weak to me, but instead of buffing the dpm which is already great they could give it better gun depression like 6 or 7 degrees

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Its a preview.That does not mean this reworks will implemented in update 5.4.And yeah that su 122-54 buff will be insane if they really put this in to game.

InternetEntity #4 Posted 21 September 2018 - 07:04 PM

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Yet another kick in the Tortoise genitles (wherever a Tortoise keeps them)

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jonty_2014 #5 Posted 21 September 2018 - 07:06 PM

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Unnecessary buff.  It’s to balance the WZ-120 TD....

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SinFFX1 #6 Posted 21 September 2018 - 07:33 PM

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View Postjonty_2014, on 21 September 2018 - 09:06 PM, said:

Unnecessary buff. It’s to balance the WZ-120 TD....

 

no they want russian tanks to be the best tanks ofc...


RA1D_SCHNITZEL_ #7 Posted 22 September 2018 - 09:19 AM

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JgPz IV has over 3000 DPM in Tier 6 and it didnt brake the game. DPM isnt everything. 

 

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View Postsuperschnitzelkoenig, on 22 September 2018 - 09:19 AM, said:

JgPz IV has over 3000 DPM in Tier 6 and it didnt brake the game. DPM isnt everything. 

 

Jg pz 4 has awfull penetration.Su-122-54 has okish pen for its tier.

RA1D_SCHNITZEL_ #9 Posted 22 September 2018 - 11:54 AM

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View PostJJSawry, on 22 September 2018 - 10:33 AM, said:

Didn't feel like the DPM was holding it back, it's the awkward maneuvering you gotta do because of the depression, imo. Just .. why?

 

Tbh I think its great that they exagerate its strengths instead of polishing its weaknesses. This way we get far more diverse tanks. Now you still have the bad gun depression that will make you think about positioning a lot but once youre in a good pos you have the DPM to really make a difference. I say: good job WG.

 

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RA1D_SCHNITZEL_ #10 Posted 22 September 2018 - 03:34 PM

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Well of course there should be some measure but giving a tank with no gun depression, relatively low Alpha and negligible armour the highest DPM in its tier doesnt seem completely irrational. As I said compared to its Tier its nowhere near the JgPz IV. 

 

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RA1D_SCHNITZEL_ #11 Posted 22 September 2018 - 05:47 PM

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Well I will report once I've driven the buffed SU-122-54 as it is one of the tanks I was planning to grind next anyway but it does seem like in the current form it was underperforming, otherwise WG would not feel the need to buff it. I will not say too much as I have not yet driven it in its current form but I didn't enjoy the predecessor that seemed similar in many ways, especially in terms of gun depression. Just looking at stats the Tier IX does seem to suffer when compared ie. to the Foch. The latter has only slightly lower DPM and mobility but gets much better armour, gun depression and gun arc. 

 

I played both predecessors and the AMX AC 48 is a better tank than the SU-101 exactly for the same reasons as I think the Foch is better than the Su-122-54. And the Su-101 at least gets the benefit of higher Alpha. Now, IF you take the fact that the Su-122-54 needs to be buffed - and I THINK it should be - I guess buffing its DPM is much better than buffing its armour or gun depression, as the latter would make it more of a copy of the Foch. Maybe the buff is a bit over-the-top but I really doubt it will be game-breaking in any way.


 

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View Postsuperschnitzelkoenig, on 22 September 2018 - 02:54 PM, said:

 

Tbh I think its great that they exagerate its strengths instead of polishing its weaknesses. This way we get far more diverse tanks. Now you still have the bad gun depression that will make you think about positioning a lot but once youre in a good pos you have the DPM to really make a difference. I say: good job WG.

 

good point actually i didnt think that way but still the concept that a tank having more dpm than the Jagdtiger makes me a bit sad :/

Jammytwss212 #13 Posted 23 September 2018 - 09:28 AM

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I am so hyped. The su 122-54 is already my favourite tier 9 td. Now it is going to be a fakking monster. The e25/jg pz 4 of tier 9.

 





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