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Mjr_Eazy #181 Posted 20 February 2019 - 06:39 AM

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Ouch....

I will check my re-roll stats, although mostly playing tier iv in it...


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I_Fought_the_Law #182 Posted 20 February 2019 - 08:06 AM

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Can’t really complain, 60mm frontal armour at tier 3, decent mobility, and spews silver like there’s no tomorrow, last 3 games, and one of these was a loss ;)

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Mjr_Leicht #183 Posted 21 February 2019 - 09:57 PM

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My latest set of figures...

TOTAL____________   Battles      WR      DPB     DR     KDR    Spot   Hit rate   Pen rate   Surv%    T alive%   Top tier   Allies WR   Enemies WR   Allies Btls   Enemies Btls
            Total  345 68.95% 577.00 2.00 4.75 1.775 87.33% 87.93% 59.15% 87% 40% 46.95% 46.33% 909 868

 

It does look though like tier iii is a problem for being top tier, I'm not seeing it as bad as you are but still bottom tiered a lot in tier iii...

Tank Tier________   Battles      WR      DPB     DR     KDR    Spot   Hit rate   Pen rate   Surv%    T alive%   Top tier   Allies WR   Enemies WR   Allies Btls   Enemies Btls
1 32 95.00% 519.00 3.45 15.20 0.8 87.35% 87.90% 91.65% 99% 59% 45.05% 43.38% 2025 527
2 45 52.73% 447.25 1.93 3.88 1.2 87.00% 88.73% 51.85% 81% 55% 47.95% 46.59% 2852 3382
3 156 69.10% 548.25 1.83 4.20 2.1 86.70% 87.05% 60.88% 88% 33% 46.89% 46.82% 877 742
4 112 65.87% 611.00 1.83 2.60 1.63 87.77% 86.83% 52.63% 86% 51% 47.87% 47.13% 820 808

 


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minitelrose #184 Posted 21 February 2019 - 10:22 PM

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Found out tier 7 is bottom tier 70% nowadays, and the tier8 you meet aren’t exactly soft handed, rather hammerfists. I think it’s only gotten worst and worst ever since around June, as less and less players are dumb enough to play tier7.

 

So I finally decided to fully switch to supremacy, and you get a much more decent balance of tiers, but I need to say u get only the scum of the mm. All the 40%ers who don’t even know supremacy can be turned off, or that you aren’t supposed to be playing tier 7.

 

within these limitations, I’m having a lot of fun, and acing my AMX-13-57 once a day (twice on sundays) makes me feel like a good player, whereas I’m really just yoloing full speed into the bunch of them all. 


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Just_merpug #185 Posted 21 February 2019 - 10:42 PM

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View Postminitelrose, on 21 February 2019 - 10:22 PM, said:

Found out tier 7 is bottom tier 70% nowadays, and the tier8 you meet aren’t exactly soft handed, rather hammerfists. I think it’s only gotten worst and worst ever since around June, as less and less players are dumb enough to play tier7.

 

So I finally decided to fully switch to supremacy, and you get a much more decent balance of tiers, but I need to say u get only the scum of the mm. All the 40%ers who don’t even know supremacy can be turned off, or that you aren’t supposed to be playing tier 7.

 

within these limitations, I’m having a lot of fun, and acing my AMX-13-57 once a day (twice on sundays) makes me feel like a good player, whereas I’m really just yoloing full speed into the bunch of them all. 

I'm dumb enough to play tier 7 in the Comet a lot, because I enjoy doing it. The lots of tier 8 armour is a bit of a pain, to be sure. But I'm am definitely having fun. 


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Mjr_Eazy #186 Posted 21 February 2019 - 11:52 PM

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Mini, I’ve seen u in action, u didn’t yolo in to reds, you m8 are a cold killing machine, u r not fooling anyone...

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I_Fought_the_Law #187 Posted 22 February 2019 - 07:31 AM

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Is tier 7 bottom tier most of the time statistically across the board, or just in peeps personal experience?is this information sockrobber might be able to extrapolate?

Edited by I_Fought_the_Law, 22 February 2019 - 07:32 AM.


gallabru #188 Posted 22 February 2019 - 11:11 AM

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I find indeed tier 7 tough because of the so many tier 8 premium tanks that every one needs to buy and play. One tier 7 tank that I still find good is the AMX M4 45. I suppose that Tiger(P) can still survive.

I also find supremacy tough because, as said above, you will find there all those who never noticed they could disable supremacy mode, which is not a good indication of their involvement.

 

Edit :

checked on my battles. On my reroll I was top tier 56% out of my 84 tier 7 battles. On my main account, I was top tier 43% out of my 21 tier 7 battles.


Edited by gallabru, 22 February 2019 - 11:24 AM.

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Mjr_Eazy #189 Posted 22 February 2019 - 12:36 PM

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Here are mine with latest set of replays up to Feb 19th included for v-ix....

Tank Tier________   Battles      WR      DPB     DR     KDR    Spot   Hit rate   Pen rate   Surv%    Top tier   Allies WR   Enemies WR   Allies Btls   Enemies Btls
5 120 60.25%              576                0.9                1.5                1.6  79.13% 86.15% 51.43% 56% 50.46% 50.73%           14,145             12,241 
6 133 51.32%              846                1.1                1.9                1.2  83.97% 90.72% 41.15% 41% 50.30% 49.85%           13,467             13,244 
7 308 52.82%              947                1.0                1.4                1.2  78.77% 84.83% 40.40% 44% 50.77% 50.61%           16,020             16,490 
8 463 47.27%           1,130                1.0                1.2                0.9  83.97% 86.97% 31.67% 64% 50.52% 50.42%           17,417             17,794 
9 156 54.28%           1,521                1.2                1.7                0.8  81.93% 87.08% 43.22% 48% 50.14% 50.27%           17,687             18,212 

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Mjr_Eazy #190 Posted 22 February 2019 - 02:40 PM

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View PostI_Fought_the_Law, on 22 February 2019 - 07:31 AM, said:

Is tier 7 bottom tier most of the time statistically across the board, or just in peeps personal experience?is this information sockrobber might be able to extrapolate?

 

I don’t know if he could, as I don’t think this data is in the WG API, I think you need the replays to get the team composition data...

The wotinspector peeps could, Minitelrose would know as he’s part of that crew...

You can do it for your own replays with jylpah’s scripts theyd know if you could do it for other peoples replays on wotinspector.com


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I_Fought_the_Law #191 Posted 22 February 2019 - 05:22 PM

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I reckon it’s pointless doing it for one person if your trying to find out if it’s by tier, but on average I’d think it’d even out, what you take from Peter you got to give to Paul.

Mjr_Eazy #192 Posted 22 February 2019 - 11:35 PM

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View PostI_Fought_the_Law, on 22 February 2019 - 05:22 PM, said:

I reckon it’s pointless doing it for one person if your trying to find out if it’s by tier, but on average I’d think it’d even out, what you take from Peter you got to give to Paul.

 

I agree it would be better with more people but we don't seem to be able to convince any of you Riggers to provide any data....

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I_Fought_the_Law #193 Posted 23 February 2019 - 08:13 AM

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You’re missing my point, I could have given you 80 replays that prove I was bottom tier in 78 of them, and that run in the su76 continues, I don’t think it will change, you could get 100 people to provide you with data, but that wouldn’t analyse what’s happening across all tiers. If you think about it though, it has got to even out, it’s immposible for one tier to be bottom tier the majority of the time because that would mean an adjacent tier would be top tier most of the time, which would have a knock on effect on the tier above..and so on.

Tijgerhaai_XIV #194 Posted 23 February 2019 - 09:00 AM

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And what is impossible about that? Tier X drags IX, low numbers of IX means there are even fewer for VIII, and so on. Player numbers at each tier is crucial, plus of course how X is treated also has a knock on effect.

 


I_Fought_the_Law #195 Posted 23 February 2019 - 10:07 AM

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That's my point, it has to even out across tiers otherwise you'll end up with one tier being top tier more often than others, and if that happens every man and his dog will play that tier..

Tijgerhaai_XIV #196 Posted 23 February 2019 - 10:14 AM

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Only if being high tier means that much to anyone. At the moment I'm enjoying tier VII and IX, low tier or not.

And there is always tier X, of course, though I hear that is too difficult for some, they cannot brag about their stats there. Tough world, huh?

 


Mjr_Eazy #197 Posted 23 February 2019 - 12:52 PM

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View PostI_Fought_the_Law, on 23 February 2019 - 10:07 AM, said:

That's my point, it has to even out across tiers otherwise you'll end up with one tier being top tier more often than others, and if that happens every man and his dog will play that tier..

 

They do, it’s called tier viii

I know you’re being deliberately obtuse, if 10 people posted 100 replays of tiers v-ix we’d have enough data to mebbes prove something...

At the moment we’ve got Gallabru and me posting from 2 accounts each but having your 2 as well would be brilliant...


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I_Fought_the_Law #198 Posted 23 February 2019 - 05:59 PM

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Don’t know why you think I’m being obtuse?? 10 individuals out of 10’s of thousands wont prove anything, especially if tier is adjusted to wr, which it is.

I_Fought_the_Law #199 Posted 23 February 2019 - 07:03 PM

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My third reroll after 150 battles, I am now bottom tier every game, and bouncing like there’s no tomorrow, wg will bring wr’s down one way or another. Got to give up on thar reroll atm, can’t win for bounces, the only bottom tier in every game, and just had a shot from bt7art miss through skillfull evasion, hit the dirt way to one side of me, and still do over 200 damage. When wg want you to lose and they pull all the stops out, you can see every little trick in the book, it’s just a shame they can’t run a fair game.

Edited by I_Fought_the_Law, 23 February 2019 - 07:31 PM.


Mjr_Eazy #200 Posted 23 February 2019 - 07:30 PM

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Sounds fantastical - 100% bottom tier...

If only there was some way for you to prove it...

If only you could record the battle with some sort of replay and then put it on t’internet in some sort or replays database to prove it...

Is that all tier iii or other tiers too...

 

Funny too how data from 4 accounts is not proving anything but you posting unsubstantiated statements is proof...


Edited by Mjr_Eazy, 23 February 2019 - 07:30 PM.

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