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viking3333 #1 Posted 08 December 2018 - 05:27 PM

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Hi!

 

I think it would be great if we players could have chance to choose if we want to fight only tanks in same tier.

 

For example:

​If you drive a tier 6 and want  just to meet adder tier 6 I click at that choose - like we do with Regual Battle vs Rating battle (or supremacy/encounterbattle)

 

Of course it will make the waiting time longer if there are few who make that's choose.

 

​But as it is now I think it is bad.  Today I counted 32 battles in tier 6. 26 times got 2 or more tier 7 in both teams. 6 games I got tier 5 in both teams.

 

So make it more fair Ithink int would be good make possibility to choose "ONLY THE SAME TIER" button

 


Edited by viking3333, 08 December 2018 - 06:17 PM.


Chairman_merpug #2 Posted 08 December 2018 - 05:32 PM

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Really not. How would you learn the weaknesses of higher tier vehicles?

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viking3333 #3 Posted 08 December 2018 - 06:10 PM

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That you can do when you play against them in same tier?

 

I prefer to meet a, for example, I tier 6 with a tier 6 for the first time instead of in e tier 5.

 

 

Would you not?

 

You also can select/choose if you want go in to the same tier mode, so if you think I it important for you to "learn the weaknesses of higher tier vehicles" in a lower tier you don't choose that ability. But if think like me, that it is better to learn weakness in same tier you choose that.

 


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viking3333 #4 Posted 08 December 2018 - 06:13 PM

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What I see as the big weakness of the proposal is that the waiting time can increase a lot. But if, for example, I'm tired of meeting tier 7 when driving a 6 i might think it's okay to wait 30 seconds longer to meet better and equal conditions. 

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Chairman_merpug #5 Posted 08 December 2018 - 08:37 PM

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View Postviking3333, on 08 December 2018 - 06:10 PM, said:

That you can do when you play against them in same tier?

 

I prefer to meet a, for example, I tier 6 with a tier 6 for the first time instead of in e tier 5.

 

 

Would you not?

 

You also can select/choose if you want go in to the same tier mode, so if you think I it important for you to "learn the weaknesses of higher tier vehicles" in a lower tier you don't choose that ability. But if think like me, that it is better to learn weakness in same tier you choose that.

 

Well, I've been playing the game since you could face tanks 2 tiers higher. People cried a lot about how hard this was, so WG changed it to the current system. Personally, I would rather be challenged than take an easy ride. There's no better feeling in game than topping the table as bottom tier. The game is complex. I like it like that. 


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Debbie_Does_Dallas #6 Posted 08 December 2018 - 09:06 PM

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View PostChairman_merpug, on 08 December 2018 - 08:37 PM, said:

Well, I've been playing the game since you could face tanks 2 tiers higher. People cried a lot about how hard this was, so WG changed it to the current system. Personally, I would rather be challenged than take an easy ride. There's no better feeling in game than topping the table as bottom tier. The game is complex. I like it like that. 

 

like chairman says.....i remember the days of rolling out an indien panzer, and coming face to face with an E100!!. That was not a fun time. One tier difference is ok in my book...so long as it's not every battle. There's a real satisfaction in taking down a higher tier vehicle.

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Mjr_Eazy #7 Posted 09 December 2018 - 08:15 AM

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OP I understand your thinking and I can’t imagine hiw hard it is now for players coming in to tier v and facing tier vi, but I agree with merpug and harrier that you need to face the challenge of higher tier tanks and on balance think it’s ok as it is.

I would have thought someone with over 10k (or 30k in your case) battles should be able to cope with facing higher tier tanks.

Having said that, it does look like there may be something strange going on, others are reporting being bottom tier like you are but I don’t see this in my battles, I’ve another thread where I’m posting info - bottom tier vs top tier, so can you make a note over 100 battles and post the results as that would provide a comparison and we can go back to WG if there is an jssue with people being bottom tier too much. It should be roughly 50/50 over a large number of battles if it is truly random.

 

Oh and try this, play tier v switch off supremacy under the battle button, I still see mostly tier v/iv games if I do that, over 60% and for heavies over 75%


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VonPottypoop #8 Posted 09 December 2018 - 02:07 PM

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I get where you are coming from OP and I myself see myself bottom tier for a very high proportion of battles. Ideally a 50/50 split between top tier and bottom tier is the perfect scenario but unfortunately the game isn’t perfect. Without a doubt tier 9 is totally broken as you will be facing tier 10 85% of the time. This is a well known problem and it needs addressing.

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viking3333 #9 Posted 09 December 2018 - 06:45 PM

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I think not only for myself, must for new gamers, but also for they who is not so good to play. More fair.

 

The fact that you meet a higher tier I always thought been for WoT to get us players, he constantly strives for a better tank,  a tank higher.

I remember that I thought it was strange when I started playing an injustice to meet a tier 10 with a tier 9 or worse a Panther tier 7 against an IS 3 ...

I can not see why it would NOT be good to have a choice to choose to just the same tier if you want to do that.

I can understand that mixed tiers make us get games battles quicker, but we already have election to make take longer time, as rating battle,  same control mode ...

 


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viking3333 #10 Posted 09 December 2018 - 06:56 PM

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View PostMjr_Eazy, on 09 December 2018 - 08:15 AM, said:

OP I understand your thinking and I can’t imagine hiw hard it is now for players coming in to tier v and facing tier vi, but I agree with merpug and harrier that you need to face the challenge of higher tier tanks and on balance think it’s ok as it is.

I would have thought someone with over 10k (or 30k in your case) battles should be able to cope with facing higher tier tanks.

Having said that, it does look like there may be something strange going on, others are reporting being bottom tier like you are but I don’t see this in my battles, I’ve another thread where I’m posting info - bottom tier vs top tier, so can you make a note over 100 battles and post the results as that would provide a comparison and we can go back to WG if there is an jssue with people being bottom tier too much. It should be roughly 50/50 over a large number of battles if it is truly random.

 

Oh and try this, play tier v switch off supremacy under the battle button, I still see mostly tier v/iv games if I do that, over 60% and for heavies over 75%

 

 

 

I will keep take and saving screenshot for my battles with tier 6 until I get 100 battles

Maybe it also can have something to with that I m playing SU100Y (gives me lots of credits), maybe the tanks big canon give the effect that you meet tier 7 more often after last update?


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Mjr_Eazy #11 Posted 10 December 2018 - 09:40 AM

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View Postviking3333, on 09 December 2018 - 06:56 PM, said:

 

I will keep take and saving screenshot for my battles with tier 6 until I get 100 battles

Maybe it also can have something to with that I m playing SU100Y (gives me lots of credits), maybe the tanks big canon give the effect that you meet tier 7 more often after last update?

 

Cheers, maybe, I’ve not looked but maybe it is to with the tank or it’s class...

sixty_three and I did this for tier v heavies and over 300 battles between us found that unticking supremacy under the battle button on tier v heavies gave us top tier >75% of the time.  This was because there’s not very many heavy tanks at iv and v and switching supremacy off which tier vi can get, helped keep you top tier.


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Tijgerhaai_XIV #12 Posted 10 December 2018 - 11:45 PM

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Or it could be perception bias, big derpy gun does not like tough tier VII cookies so is more sensitive and hence has a more emotional response within the OP and is given greater weight in their mind.

Only empirical evidence can decide! Stay tuned for our next thrilling adventure on WoT Blitz forums!

 


Mjr_Eazy #13 Posted 11 December 2018 - 02:41 AM

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View PostTijgerhaai_XIV, on 10 December 2018 - 11:45 PM, said:

Or it could be perception bias, big derpy gun does not like tough tier VII cookies so is more sensitive and hence has a more emotional response within the OP and is given greater weight in their mind.

Only empirical evidence can decide! Stay tuned for our next thrilling adventure on WoT Blitz forums!

 

Yeah, true, we need evidence, as you say perception bias is strong...

I know all about it and try and ignore my feelings about what is happening and gather some facts...

It’s interesting tho, that some players who are not part of Canny & The Riggers are posting it too...

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The_Mighty_Wombat #14 Posted 13 December 2018 - 01:16 PM

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Seeing a tank the tier higher kill them makes people want that tank.

once they get it then they get killed by the next one up.

It makes people want the bigger badder tank and grind up the tech trees.

 

-1/+1 mm as it is now is pretty good and all tanks are relatively competative against their peers.

-2/+2 mm would see you in impossible situations to win or extremely overpowered.

0/0 mm would not give a noticable improvement and just make players lazy as they dont need to learn skills.

This is noticable in the players that drive forward to just trade shots till one person dies. Repeat.

The game needs incentives to learn to be better, not just made easier.



romsitsa #15 Posted 14 December 2018 - 03:05 PM

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Hello,

 

tanks are balanced to fight +1 tier vehicles. It was better with -2/+2, but it’s gone. Your proposal would be only fair if you would lose the best (not top) gun ot the agility to use premium ammo when playing 0/0. Also it makes no real sense, as you can win more if you are top tier.

 

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Mjr_Eazy #16 Posted 15 December 2018 - 02:06 PM

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Hey Viking3333, if you use or have access to a pc or mac then you can use the python scripts Jylpah developed...

They’re pretty easy to set up and run, you run one against your replay folder and it uploads the replays to wotinspector.com and uses the reply it sends with tons of data in it in a second script.  I work in IT and do a bit of dabbling in python so took me less than 5 minutes to setup. I’m going to post instructions later.  For an iphone you’d have to put the replays on dropbox or icloud or someother storage then download to a pc or mac to run scripts.

It confirmed I was too tier most of the time which suprised me but cognitive bias is strong...

 


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MI345MMM #17 Posted 16 December 2018 - 10:25 AM

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He he, If I facing fake game with tier up I just leave such game. Lets WG to play it itself. I enjoy to play equal games not total fake games in which was killed with one shot.



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View PostMI345MMM, on 16 December 2018 - 10:25 AM, said:

He he, If I facing fake game with tier up I just leave such game. Lets WG to play it itself. I enjoy to play equal games not total fake games in which was killed with one shot.

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Mjr_Eazy #19 Posted 16 December 2018 - 01:00 PM

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View PostMI345MMM, on 16 December 2018 - 10:25 AM, said:

He he, If I facing fake game with tier up I just leave such game. Lets WG to play it itself. I enjoy to play equal games not total fake games in which was killed with one shot.

Wow, so you spoil it for the rest of your team and run crying to your mam, get a grip...

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At least try, it’s the only way you’ll learn and improve, maybe...

 


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viking3333 #20 Posted 17 December 2018 - 09:02 AM

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My static (I like to play adder tier also) is now:

44 battles include tier 7 tanks

29 battles with no tier 7 tanks

 

Last period the battles with no tier 7 tanks has increased. A "feeling" I have is that you longer I play at one session, more fair it gets facing tier 7 or not.






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