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gallabru #41 Posted 04 September 2019 - 07:52 AM

    Sergeant

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    09-01-2016

More a fun fact rather than a stat., but something that was puzzling me concerning the 'bootcamp' for underperforming players : was it the same queue as the newbies' one ?

 

Same sample, I have filtered the players with more than 5k battles and checked their average WR.

> 5k : 102 players, 46.7 % wr

> 7k : 63 players, 46.4% wr

>9k : 56 players, 47% wr

>15k : 30 payers, 48.5% wr

...

Newbie queue is not bootcamp so far.


Edited by gallabru, 04 September 2019 - 10:22 AM.

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gallabru #42 Posted 04 September 2019 - 10:23 AM

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updated with 73 battles (949 players). Less noisy but same results

 

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One spurious point at 63% who is from my toonmate.

 

Here is the average WR of the green and red teams as a function of the battles.

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Edited by gallabru, 16 September 2019 - 12:12 PM.

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szkaraj #43 Posted 04 September 2019 - 12:13 PM

    Senior Sergeant

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    05-16-2015
Interesting work. Thx for it. Will check back later again.

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Buckleyteer2 #44 Posted 04 September 2019 - 12:19 PM

    Junior Sergeant

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  • 40027 battles
  • 162
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    10-16-2015
Very interesting good work.....

jylpah #45 Posted 04 September 2019 - 05:43 PM

    First Sergeant

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  • 18444 battles
  • 4,702
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    08-05-2014

View Postgallabru, on 11 February 2019 - 12:50 PM, said:

Amongst stats that are nor related to me, here are the WR distributions of my teams and red teams on my alt account. My WR was not included otherwise there would be a peak of 126 at 61.

Both were fitted to a Gaussian. Both are finally centered in 47%. FWHM are 6.4% for my teams and 5.3% for green team, but again, my there are less data for my teams.

If I take all WR of all players (minus me), here is what I get :

The Gaussian is centered in 47% and the width is 5.8%.

 

I once did estimate based on 89k players in BlitzStars' database (with courtesy of SockRobber  :great:  ):

 

WR mean=48.88755000%

WR sigma=5.989095% (Std dev)

 

this estimate is from 2017 if I recall it correctly. Once I get time to update my scripts I will calculate the stats again based on recent data.

 

Anyway, simply awesome stuff!!!

 


Edited by jylpah, 04 September 2019 - 05:48 PM.

Just a little buff for Panther II, please 

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Mjr_Leicht #46 Posted 04 September 2019 - 09:40 PM

    Junior Sergeant

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  • 204
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    01-21-2019

I expect we'll not see much difference to Jylpah's 2017 analysis but maybe more good players have left as is oft claimed on the forum...

It will be interesting to see some real data....


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gallabru #47 Posted 18 September 2019 - 11:42 AM

    Sergeant

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Back with some tentative of analysis on how the "improved MM" may or may not work.

I have had to do a lot of assumptions and approximations;

First big thanks to @Jylpah who provided me with the stats he has been collecting for all the players for all their tanks, until update 6.1 included.

 

So here I am with these data, my 73 games on my reroll in 6.2 (4k games, 61%WR) and my questions about improved MM. How coull the MM select the inefficient players ? 

-WR

-DPB

-XP per battle

- hits per battle

 

1/ let's assume that the stats of the players until 6.1 are similar to how they have been playing in 6.2.This is a strong hypothesis.

2/ let's narrow the data to tier 7 and 8 in med tanks. There should still be plenty of data, and some of the relevant parameters should not be too sprayed out (133375).

3/ then let's compare the stats of the players I have seen since 6.2 (222) to those of the player base until then...

Here is the WR distribution of this sample.

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Here are the stats of the player base until 6.1 (heat map), WR against XP per game. Blue not many players to yellow many players. Let's add the ones I have seen (red crosses).

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Same but WR against Damage dealt per tier and per game.

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Same but WR against Hits per game.

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The players I have seen do not seem to depart too much from the total playerbase. Many reasons may explain this :

1/ my sample is small.

2/ the removal of inefficient players did not have time to be in action.

3/ the new MM may not apply to the newbie queue, but the official WG discord says the inefficient players are sent to 'the newcommers queue', so I should see more of them.

4/ I am an inefficient player.

 


Edited by gallabru, 18 September 2019 - 05:11 PM.

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Mjr_Eazy #48 Posted 18 September 2019 - 12:48 PM

    First Sergeant

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    04-26-2017

Nice one....

 

Your stats are pretty good, not many battles recently but still put you towards the top of the pile by WR & WN8 but your Avg DMG, DR, KDR and Spots are pretty low for the average tier so maybe it's something around DR or KDR vs average for tier which decides efficiency and that would put you in the bootcamp queue?  

 

I don't think it's necessarily newcomers, as WG described the new 6.2 MM as being about have a queue for less efficient players which should mean seal clubbing stat padders like my re-roll don't get in this inefficient players queue but I see more better players which would anecdotally explain my WR plunging off a cliff...

although grinding IS-3 stock to get an IS-8 then grinding that stock to get an IS-7 in the 7-days of the event certificates didn't help as I ignored WR, steamed in, did as much dmg as possible and went to next battle as was flipping between phone and mac to play main account at same time to grind tier ix batchat and E100 :)


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gallabru #49 Posted 18 September 2019 - 01:00 PM

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The last message by RibbleStripe of WG Discord do says (I quote) : "players showing extremely low efficiency are sent to newconners queue"

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Mjr_Eazy #50 Posted 18 September 2019 - 06:25 PM

    First Sergeant

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  • 5,756
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    04-26-2017

Interesting, as that isn’t how it was described in release, they said it was for inefficient players, it wasn’t described as having a newcomers queue and inefficient players getting put in that...

but that sounds like they have the sub-5k battles players type queue still and use that, I think the battle count split is a lot lower tho, as my re-roll has seen very high battle count players for a long time and bumped in to some people from here with higher than 5k battles in 6.2...


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gallabru #51 Posted 18 September 2019 - 07:42 PM

    Sergeant

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I never found their description very clear concerning the queue they would be put in.
The 'test' will carry on in 6.3 according to RibbleStripe. This tells to me that indeed not much happened in 6.2.

I love the irony of this. We were sold the fact that the newbies were separated from the dirty sealclubbers to have time to learn in a safe environment. From now on, to improve their experience, they are sent the very worst experienced players that can be found.

Edited by gallabru, 18 September 2019 - 07:42 PM.

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jylpah #52 Posted 18 September 2019 - 10:58 PM

    First Sergeant

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    08-05-2014

View Postgallabru, on 18 September 2019 - 09:42 PM, said:

I never found their description very clear concerning the queue they would be put in.
The 'test' will carry on in 6.3 according to RibbleStripe. This tells to me that indeed not much happened in 6.2.

I love the irony of this. We were sold the fact that the newbies were separated from the dirty sealclubbers to have time to learn in a safe environment. From now on, to improve their experience, they are sent the very worst experienced players that can be found.

 

 

Blitz WWW pages say:

 

https://wotblitz.eu/en/news/updates/update-6-3/

 

New Matchmaker Rule

Testing of the matchmaker rule for players who show extremely low efficiency in recent series of battles has been extended for CIS and EU live servers.

 

 


Just a little buff for Panther II, please 

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