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Prince0fPersia #1 Posted 03 February 2019 - 10:42 AM

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i just seen a kv220 t holding against 5 tanks without taking any damage, that tank is way to OP for tier 5, and if new players face him they die in seconds

Mjr_Eazy #2 Posted 03 February 2019 - 10:59 AM

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They need to learn to pen it, easy to pen turret sides & cheeks and rear, 5 should take it down easy, 1 or 2 get behind, other 3 just keep it busy, using cover so as not to take too many hits, by tier v, if players don’t know how to get behind a tank, use cover and where major weak parts are they need to learn!

Mind you, I was just in a tier x fight with an idiot sat in front of a Tortoise bouncing every shot, so I just went down and shot his commanders hatch, ez kill...

 

Also, is it really ruining the tier?  How many do you actually see?  Of those how many are actually any good?


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Titus_Scato #3 Posted 03 February 2019 - 11:03 AM

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Do you have the replay?

 

I have the KV-220 and am currently trying to ace it.  385 battles and counting...

 

My winrate in the KV-220 is 60.78%.  For comparison, my winrate in the standard KV-1 is 65.78%.  So I regard the KV-220 as being less OP than the standard KV-1.

 

The KV-220 has a KV-3 hull.  But it also has a stock KV-1 turret, and its 76mm ZiS-5 gun is no better than the stock 3-inch Gun on the T1 Heavy.  Which isn't a great gun.

 

It's not OP in my experience.

 

If it was up to me, I would give the KV-220 the KV-3's stock T-220 turret, which has 100mm of armour on all sides.  But I would also give it the KV-3's stock V5 engine, which has only 600 hp instead of 650, and the KV-1's 76mm ZiS-5 gun, which has 13mm less penetration with AP, and 19mm less penetration with APCR.

 

These changes would give the KV-220 much better turret armour, but also make it slower, and turn its gun into an absolute pile of dog poo (worse than the Excelsior's gun).  Players would have to use APCR prammo to reliably penetrate enemy heavies frontally, and even several Tier VI mediums too.  Against a few opponents, like an AT 2, Churchill VII or Kuro Mori Mine, even APCR won't be enough to get through without hitting a small weakspot, making flanking them mandatory.


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View PostTitus_Scato, on 03 February 2019 - 11:03 AM, said:

Do you have the replay?

 

I have the KV-220 and am currently trying to ace it.  385 battles and counting...

 

My winrate in the KV-220 is 60.78%.  For comparison, my winrate in the standard KV-1 is 65.78%.  So I regard the KV-220 as being less OP than the standard KV-1.

 

The KV-220 has a KV-3 hull.  But it also has a stock KV-1 turret, and its 76mm ZiS-5 gun is no better than the stock 3-inch Gun on the T1 Heavy.  Which isn't a great gun.

 

It's not OP in my experience.

 

If it was up to me, I would give the KV-220 the KV-3's stock T-220 turret, which has 100mm of armour on all sides.  But I would also give it the KV-3's stock V5 engine, which has only 600 hp instead of 650, and the KV-1's 76mm ZiS-5 gun, which has 13mm less penetration with AP, and 19mm less penetration with APCR.

 

These changes would give the KV-220 much better turret armour, but also make it slower, and turn its gun into an absolute pile of dog poo (worse than the Excelsior's gun).  Players would have to use APCR prammo to reliably penetrate enemy heavies frontally, and even several Tier VI mediums too.  Against a few opponents, like an AT 2, Churchill VII or Kuro Mori Mine, even APCR won't be enough to get through without hitting a small weakspot, making flanking them mandatory.

 


The 220 doesn't have a kv-3 hull.

Kv-3's armor: 120/90/90
Kv-220 t's armor: 100/100/80


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Prince0fPersia #5 Posted 03 February 2019 - 03:40 PM

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exacly, so u need a gun with 150 pen at least, something that most of the tier 4 5 dont have so yeah , it is OP

Titus_Scato #6 Posted 03 February 2019 - 04:43 PM

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View PostOakTankTree, on 03 February 2019 - 02:21 PM, said:

 


The 220 doesn't have a kv-3 hull.

Kv-3's armor: 120/90/90
Kv-220 t's armor: 100/100/80

 

Good point- so KV-220 is better at sidescraping, but worse out in the open, both front and rear armour weaker than the KV-3.

Titus_Scato #7 Posted 03 February 2019 - 05:03 PM

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View PostPrince0fPersia, on 03 February 2019 - 03:40 PM, said:

exacly, so u need a gun with 150 pen at least, something that most of the tier 4 5 dont have so yeah , it is OP

 

Most Tier IV TD’s have at least 150 mm penetration with prammo, so can pen the KV-220 no problem.  Other Tier IV’s can just aim for its turret using prammo.

 

All Tier V tanks have at least 150 mm penetration with prammo, except for the Leopard, Sherman V, M4A2E4 and Scavenger.  And except for those 4, they can all pen the KV-220’s turret with AP.

 

Tier VI tanks should have no problem.

 

The KV-220 is not OP - but it can troll the new players (and noobs) who don’t understand that they should carry some prammo even though it does less damage than AP and costs a lot more.  (I recommend 1 prammo shell for every 3 AP shells.)


Edited by Titus_Scato, 03 February 2019 - 05:08 PM.


minitelrose #8 Posted 03 February 2019 - 06:01 PM

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That’s when players should reflect and understand that angling is key to bounce shots, and that avoiding the front of enemies to try to shoot its sides and back is more effective way to fight.

 

if they fail to understand  that, i am not interested in a nerf for kv220. What I want instead is to block these players from playing the game. 

 

I remember very precisely that is when I entered tier 4 and played the small vk-h that I look at the box and tried to angle it.


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I cant imagine anything in Tier V breaking the game. At least in the games I have played since the big lowtier shakeup I have almost exclusively been lowtier and against Tier VI no Tier V tank will really make a huge difference.

 

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llo1 #10 Posted 03 February 2019 - 08:27 PM

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View PostRA1D_SCHNITZEL_, on 03 February 2019 - 06:16 PM, said:

I cant imagine anything in Tier V breaking the game. At least in the games I have played since the big lowtier shakeup I have almost exclusively been lowtier and against Tier VI no Tier V tank will really make a huge difference.

 

As RA1D, says, I have been playing a significant number of tier 5 battles recently and I have NEVER been anything other than bottom tier, regularly been the only tier 5.

I have also played the T220 a couple of times, and have been penned more often by everything from every direction, and from so far across the map that it seems like everyone is targeting my tank whilst ignoring every other one!



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Had one of these on the reds, welcomed everbody with a "easy win" in the chat then died first with 0 dmg, 11K player with avg. dmg above 1000 so hardly a noob. Didn't seem to break the game at all :)

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Ungluff #13 Posted 06 February 2019 - 07:37 PM

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Just shoot them in the engine - they burn real good.

llo1 #14 Posted 06 February 2019 - 07:53 PM

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View PostUngluff, on 06 February 2019 - 07:37 PM, said:

Just shoot them in the engine - they burn real good.

 

 

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View PostTitus_Scato, on 03 February 2019 - 11:03 AM, said:

Do you have the replay?

 

I have the KV-220 and am currently trying to ace it.  385 battles and counting...

 

My winrate in the KV-220 is 60.78%.  For comparison, my winrate in the standard KV-1 is 65.78%.  So I regard the KV-220 as being less OP than the standard KV-1.

 

The KV-220 has a KV-3 hull.  But it also has a stock KV-1 turret, and its 76mm ZiS-5 gun is no better than the stock 3-inch Gun on the T1 Heavy.  Which isn't a great gun.

 

It's not OP in my experience.

 

If it was up to me, I would give the KV-220 the KV-3's stock T-220 turret, which has 100mm of armour on all sides.  But I would also give it the KV-3's stock V5 engine, which has only 600 hp instead of 650, and the KV-1's 76mm ZiS-5 gun, which has 13mm less penetration with AP, and 19mm less penetration with APCR.

 

These changes would give the KV-220 much better turret armour, but also make it slower, and turn its gun into an absolute pile of dog poo (worse than the Excelsior's gun).  Players would have to use APCR prammo to reliably penetrate enemy heavies frontally, and even several Tier VI mediums too.  Against a few opponents, like an AT 2, Churchill VII or Kuro Mori Mine, even APCR won't be enough to get through without hitting a small weakspot, making flanking them mandatory.

 

You right about kv1. I’m a %44 player and I killed 6 once at my  first months, that was amazing for me. Kv1 rocks. 



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It has been converted into a collectors tank expect it to be nerfed either this comming release or the next one. 

 

Do not buy premium tanks when they are going to be nerfed and converts Into collector stanks. 

 

 


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llo1 #17 Posted 06 February 2019 - 11:26 PM

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View PostPeddy_tanj_it, on 06 February 2019 - 09:54 PM, said:

It has been converted into a collectors tank expect it to be nerfed either this comming release or the next one. 

 

Do not buy premium tanks when they are going to be nerfed and converts Into collector stanks. 

 

 

 

Definitely "stanks" Peddy........WG are good at creating "stanks"!

Every good tank is nerfed into a "stank "!

 


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KV-220 is probably the most OP tank tier-for-tier in the game. 

Just a little buff for Panther II, please 

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Titus_Scato #19 Posted 07 February 2019 - 12:58 AM

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View Postjylpah, on 06 February 2019 - 11:46 PM, said:

KV-220 is probably the most OP tank tier-for-tier in the game. 

 

Sure, against noobs with no prammo who don’t understand the hitskin and shoot at the red parts.

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View PostPeddy_tanj_it, on 06 February 2019 - 09:54 PM, said:

It has been converted into a collectors tank expect it to be nerfed either this comming release or the next one. 

 

Do not buy premium tanks when they are going to be nerfed and converts Into collector stanks. 

 

 

WG have given no indication that they will nerf blue tanks. Can't see any reason why they should. On the other hand, I can see every reason for them to keep them the same and push them out in crates every so often. Premium tanks were becoming too common, they should be rarer. Having a halfway house makes sense to me. Having it full of mainly rubbish tanks that can be given a cachet by being generally unobtainable makes even more sense. 


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