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Pururut #41 Posted 15 March 2019 - 05:31 PM

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View PostTitus_Scato, on 15 March 2019 - 04:59 PM, said:

 

I vote for Badger as the new end of the AT line, the FV4005 Stage II as the end of the new Firefly line, and the original FV215b (183) as a collector's tank (with seriously nerfed rate of fire to make the new FV4005 Stage II the more desirable tank, despite the latter's monstrous HE magnet paper turret and horrendous camo rating).

 

Why link the new td line to firefly? Shouldnt it be linked to Cromwell instead as both Challanger and Charioteer used Cromwell hulls if I remember correctly. Oh and can someone tell me what is it with British and their C letter fetishism regarding tank names? It is like Japanese obsession with Central European architecture in anime only severer. 


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View PostPururut, on 15 March 2019 - 05:31 PM, said:

 

Why link the new td line to firefly? Shouldnt it be linked to Cromwell instead as both Challanger and Charioteer used Cromwell hulls if I remember correctly. Oh and can someone tell me what is it with British and their C letter fetishism regarding tank names? It is like Japanese obsession with Central European architecture in anime only severer. 

You need a tankie or historian for the C thing. The 17pdr, though  is probably the link from Firefly


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View PostChairman_merpug, on 15 March 2019 - 08:22 PM, said:

You need a tankie or historian for the C thing. The 17pdr, though  is probably the link from Firefly

 

It would be better if WG had a 17pdr that actually behaved similar to historic, and totally rekt any tank available at that time, as well as the equivalent tier in the game!
 
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View PostChairman_merpug, on 15 March 2019 - 08:22 PM, said:

You need a tankie or historian for the C thing. The 17pdr, though  is probably the link from Firefly

 

There is no official explanation.  I served 1989-2013 but was only armoured until 93 then transferred.  The accepted explanations are:

 

1.  The original Armoured Research & Developement Establishment was at Chertsey - hence the C designation.

 

2.   Most likely and believed - Until WW2 all British tanks had numerical/alphabetical designations & nick names.  Primarily 2 types of tank Infantry & cruiser.  As the cruisers came on line they were named.  But why C?  Well Look at the meaning behind the names and where they were to be deployed, for example Crusader/Cromwell/Churchill etc etc.  A wealth of history and meaning behind the names both ancient and modern (for the time), it kept up the morale, everyone then would have been able to identify with the associated meanings etc.  The tradition was carried on into the Cold War era and beyond.  

 

3.  Another belief was that the (I'm a wee bit vague on details now) unit trailing the new tanks in ww1 during development were the 3rd something or others and that C is the third letter in the alphabet - all connected in some way.  

 

The CVT (T) family all begin with the designation 'S'.  Scimitar, Scorpion etc.  I can't remember why.  All the armoured cars, carriers were named after the developers/manufacturers.

 

We have always had the best wagon names.  The new Challenger 2 upgrade, 'Black Knight' will be even more awesome than Chally 2, the best tank in the world.  I only ever drove a Chally 1 and for a short time the Chieftain Mk11 a wee while before that.  

 

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Good post, Colmain.

 

I think the names Matilda and Valentine, for the Infantry Tanks Mk.II and Mk.III, were unofficial, and that's one reason why they didn't conform to the 'C' naming convention.  The other reason was, they were pre-war designs, ordered into production before the 'C' naming convention came into force.

 

The Tortoise didn't follow the 'C' convention either.

 

I suspect the infantry tank regiments didn't really want to adopt the 'C' naming convention, because they wanted to differentiate themselves from the 'cavalry' cruiser tank regiments - but that's only a theory.  However, they were told that the Infantry Tank Mk.IV was going to be named 'Churchill' whether they liked it or not. 

 

(And Winston Churchill wasn't too happy when his own decision to rush the Churchill I into production before its teething troubles were fixed made it almost as unreliable as the Mark I from 1916.  After that he decided the tank was named after his 17th Century ancestor the Duke of Marlborough, and not him.)



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View PostColmain595, on 15 March 2019 - 09:15 PM, said:

 

There is no official explanation.  I served 1989-2013 but was only armoured until 93 then transferred.  The accepted explanations are:

 

1.  The original Armoured Research & Developement Establishment was at Chertsey - hence the C designation.

 

2.   Most likely and believed - Until WW2 all British tanks had numerical/alphabetical designations & nick names.  Primarily 2 types of tank Infantry & cruiser.  As the cruisers came on line they were named.  But why C?  Well Look at the meaning behind the names and where they were to be deployed, for example Crusader/Cromwell/Churchill etc etc.  A wealth of history and meaning behind the names both ancient and modern (for the time), it kept up the morale, everyone then would have been able to identify with the associated meanings etc.  The tradition was carried on into the Cold War era and beyond.  

 

3.  Another belief was that the (I'm a wee bit vague on details now) unit trailing the new tanks in ww1 during development were the 3rd something or others and that C is the third letter in the alphabet - all connected in some way.  

 

The CVT (T) family all begin with the designation 'S'.  Scimitar, Scorpion etc.  I can't remember why.  All the armoured cars, carriers were named after the developers/manufacturers.

 

We have always had the best wagon names.  The new Challenger 2 upgrade, 'Black Knight' will be even more awesome than Chally 2, the best tank in the world.  I only ever drove a Chally 1 and for a short time the Chieftain Mk11 a wee while before that.  

 

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Sooooo.....

 

 

looks like: Challenger => Charioteer => Conway => FV4005 autoloader with the FV217 as a Collector/Premium/Enriched goldnoob tank.


 


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Ok, my gold is waiting out on the new prem UK TD.  Last question.  Do I have to get my Firefly off of the tank park onto the fields of Blitz?  Does the new line start from the firefly or is that just a guess?

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View PostPururut, on 15 March 2019 - 05:31 PM, said:

 

Why link the new td line to firefly? Shouldnt it be linked to Cromwell instead as both Challanger and Charioteer used Cromwell hulls if I remember correctly. Oh and can someone tell me what is it with British and their C letter fetishism regarding tank names? It is like Japanese obsession with Central European architecture in anime only severer. 

 

The Firefly actually was a turreted TD historically.  Used to support Sherman V mediums against German tanks, without getting involved in their infantry support duties.  The Achilles was used in the same way.

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View PostTitus_Scato, on 17 March 2019 - 02:20 AM, said:

 

The Firefly actually was a turreted TD historically.  Used to support Sherman V mediums against German tanks, without getting involved in their infantry support duties.  The Achilles was used in the same way.

And to support Cromwells, too. 


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Did we actually have a decision on where the Brit TD's will cut into the tech tree?  Cromwell, Firefly or something else?  I'd just like to make sure I have the Xp in the right place.

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Don't know yet but I'm betting Firefly.

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They could spur off from Alecto to Archer to Achilles, of course.

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View PostChairman_merpug, on 19 March 2019 - 07:29 AM, said:

They could spur off from Alecto to Archer to Achilles, of course.

 

That's how it should work - but I doubt it in this case, since WG don't like it when people play low tiers in Blitz anymore.

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View PostTitus_Scato, on 19 March 2019 - 11:16 PM, said:

 

That's how it should work - but I doubt it in this case, since WG don't like it when people play low tiers in Blitz anymore.

Makes more sense than the fake graphic did; TD line carrying on from a TD rather than a med. And they have the Archer modelled already. 


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View PostColmain595, on 15 March 2019 - 09:15 PM, said:

 

Chally 2, the best tank in the world. 

 

Erm.... ;)


 

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