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BorgR3mc0 #1 Posted 13 November 2019 - 10:05 AM

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The next update will have two tanks with ATGM. The last time we had missiles it broke tier VII for a month. Now they will be permanent. I am afraid this will have detrimental effects of the gameplay in tier IX and X. What are your thoughts on this?

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jonty_2014 #2 Posted 13 November 2019 - 11:38 AM

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If...  

WG have changed the mechanic like martindogger said they had in his preview;

If...

The PC auto-aim isn’t broken;

If....

The weapon works by higher ROF and less DPM, as is also suggested;

And...

WG is prepared to make further adjustments, so we don’t have broken vehicles at T9/10,  then it won’t be so bad.

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To me it sounds like the artillery many have been asking for is making its way to Blitz.

Ok, it is not exactly artillery.

Just something that can go around and above hard cover from a side of the map to the other one, like...


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WG have promised that this time they worked it out and tested properly..... no worries then, they have such a great record of getting balance right


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View PostReplicant_2, on 13 November 2019 - 02:04 PM, said:

WG have promised that this time they worked it out and tested properly..... no worries then, they have such a great record of getting balance right


Like they tested the last event, the other OP tanks they released, hopefully they’ve undercooked them rather than over as they could destroy tiers ix and x and tier’s vii, ix and x are the only ones that are vaguely playable at present...

My bet is they will be broken and OP...


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Give smasher guided missiles please ;)

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View PostDebbie_Does_Dallas, on 13 November 2019 - 02:41 PM, said:

Give smasher guided missiles please ;)


Only if they make it on a "Fantasy" map along with all the other fantasy tanks!!!

As to the others, once they launch the missiles, I will try it once in tier 8/9, and if it is as broken as before, then I for one will not be playing those tiers again.....and as for rating battles....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Unless of course the missiles are only one per tank per battle!



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There is only one question to ask really. Will it be possible and practical to strike roof armor. Everything else is either irrelevant or secondary. If ATGM capable tanks can horizontally strike from cover or anywhere on the map, high tier balance will shift from heavy-td back to light-medium. A welcome change that would be. Would provide incentive for fool proof tier armored heavy tanks and camping tds to use a couple of braincells. God I hate the lot of them.

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View PostPururut, on 13 November 2019 - 03:14 PM, said:

There is only one question to ask really. Will it be possible and practical to strike roof armor. Everything else is either irrelevant or secondary. If ATGM capable tanks can horizontally strike from cover or anywhere on the map, high tier balance will shift from heavy-td back to light-medium. A welcome change that would be. Would provide incentive for fool proof tier armored heavy tanks and camping tds to use a couple of braincells. God I hate the lot them.


If WG actually implemented proper camo, proper armour, proper notifications of other tanks, and proper aiming/targeting then the use of ATGM might be a valid way forwards, but to have them simply roaming a map, shooting at any tank across the map without any aiming and ensureing that any ATGM once fired is a definite destroyed tank as previous games have shown....then they shouldn't be allowed!



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Personally I think guided missiles should be very high alpha damage (same as a 152 mm gun) and very slow reload.

 

Fast firing missiles with low alpha damage will be worse than a gun and completely pointless.



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View PostDebbie_Does_Dallas, on 13 November 2019 - 02:41 PM, said:

Give smasher guided missiles please ;)


ROFL!  You are 1 sick puppy... 

It’s a yes from me...

Altho I’d have to buy a Smasher first.


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gallabru #12 Posted 13 November 2019 - 05:40 PM

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I think it is time WG introduces Katiouchas (guided ideally).

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View PostPururut, on 13 November 2019 - 03:14 PM, said:

There is only one question to ask really. Will it be possible and practical to strike roof armor. Everything else is either irrelevant or secondary. If ATGM capable tanks can horizontally strike from cover or anywhere on the map, high tier balance will shift from heavy-td back to light-medium. A welcome change that would be. Would provide incentive for fool proof tier armored heavy tanks and camping tds to use a couple of braincells. God I hate the lot of them.


From the video it looks like it would be as one fires over a hill on to top of another tank sheltering the other side of it!


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View PostReplicant_2, on 13 November 2019 - 03:04 PM, said:

WG have promised that this time they worked it out and tested properly..... no worries then, they have such a great record of getting balance right

Feel free to test everything out yourself next time



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View PostMjr_Eazy, on 13 November 2019 - 05:40 PM, said:


From the video it looks like it would be as one fires over a hill on to top of another tank sheltering the other side of it!

I am convinced it will be used mainly as artillery. 

Inefficiently probably, but nonetheless. 


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View Postgallabru, on 13 November 2019 - 06:09 PM, said:

I am convinced it will be used mainly as artillery. 

Inefficiently probably, but nonetheless. 


IF it is as you hope, then I would be reasonably OK with this.....but using the T49 as a historic basis .........not going to be like this!



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First of all, when discussing new ATGM tanks you should remember about T49A from 2016. New missiles works differently and there will be no strikes from the sky you can avoid or dodge. 
I personally took part in some internal test. The main thing i realized is that mechanics is pretty challenging and difficult to master. Even if the enemy is not hiding behind wall or rock it's not that easy to hit it. So i wouldn't say those tanks will affect meta or usual gameplay.

 

However, let's not get ahead of ourselves. There will be further tests pretty soon and as it was said during twister stream we'll make the final decision after those tests. 



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@Ribblestripe - really????


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This thread perfectly summed up in this classic sketch...enjoy.

 

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View PostEndToast_LOCA, on 13 November 2019 - 05:57 PM, said:

Feel free to test everything out yourself next time

 

That's a shame, I was really chuffed that of all the posts, mine has made it to the top spot as the most useless one. But maybe you're right, my posts are like my blitz game, mostly harmless and often useless.

Re testing, may I? really? I promise I won't touch HE on the A-20 but I might try to sneak through a 4s reload on the FCM pak (or 400 alpha, the death star of tier III). Oh the giggles if suddenly everyone wanted to drive it.

And I can't believe that in over two decades in software development I have never used that line on my customers.

 

On topic though, before you accuse me of outright trolling.

Guided missiles are all about hitting the enemy without them being able to hit back, I can see 2 main scenarios here

- a brawl, bunch of heavies busy bouncing shots from each other, spotting is not an issue and a missile tank can just sit in a safe spot and keep dropping bombs into the mix

- the arty scenario, a stealth scout does the spotting while the missile tank delivers messages of peace and love etched on the warheads. There's an issue here, there are almost no scout tanks in TIX and TX. In TIX battles you may get some TVIII lights to do the job but otherwise it's all heavy steel out there. Can we expect some light lines coming to high tiers any time soon?

 

One mechanic that I'd like to see would be that after the tank fires, camera switches to on-board view from the missile, it could be then guided long range around a mountain however for the duration of the flight the tank would be left vulnerable. Was it the first "desert storm" when the US started to used on-board video from smart bombs as a propaganda tool?

This, however might be impossible to balance, for one, missiles should not be allowed to spot but there are many more potential issues. Anyway, a fun thought.


Edited by Replicant_2, 14 November 2019 - 03:10 PM.

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