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[Muhammad_Zaib]

Knickerson, on 27 July 2020 - 02:37 PM, said:

Not too long after this topic came up, I had a team take the hill uncontested, then actually leave it because they couldn’t find reds to shoot 5 seconds afterward. So they went off in different directions looking for them and got dropped one by one. And me in my TD wondering, What the ...?

Same here ....

[Mjr_Eazy]

Re the strategy as it’s already been noted, it’s more nuanced than just all hill, a combination of hill with good supporting sniping from TD’s at the back and meds/TD’s from the lighthouse to the hill is very effective...

Higher tier games you will see that a lot but you will also see a lot of flanking through town to split the enemy fire/distract them and to get shots on to the snipers so that can allow a hill push and again can be very effective...

but anything tier vi or lower just go hill...

[llo1]

Recently, I have had teams fail to even try and take the hill, and therefore easily lose.....

I have also got to the hill first, if I have a faster tank, only to find zero team backing me up, so have driven straight over the back into the town, only to find all the greens going to the lighthouse where they are accessible to every red camping above the spawn, Every red who makes the hill, and then every red who circles to hill!

 

I have also found that when I am trying to shoot reds on the hill when I am in my TD, I never seem to be able to actually hit them as they are always just out of shot no matter which spawn I am on and I am visible to the reds. Conversely, if I am on the hill, I never seem to be able to get into one of those areas and am penned from both spawn points where the reds are invisible To me.

 

Therefore I really do not like this map!

[erwin10001]

llo1, on 29 July 2020 - 05:29 PM, said:

Recently, I have had teams fail to even try and take the hill, and therefore easily lose.....

I have also got to the hill first, if I have a faster tank, only to find zero team backing me up, so have driven straight over the back into the town, only to find all the greens going to the lighthouse where they are accessible to every red camping above the spawn, Every red who makes the hill, and then every red who circles to hill!

 

I have also found that when I am trying to shoot reds on the hill when I am in my TD, I never seem to be able to actually hit them as they are always just out of shot no matter which spawn I am on and I am visible to the reds. Conversely, if I am on the hill, I never seem to be able to get into one of those areas and am penned from both spawn points where the reds are invisible To me.

 

Therefore I really do not like this map!

This sort of behaviour of going everywhere except hill seems to be the default in Euro server Mines.

I presume they just mostly repeat what they are doing in higher tiers because they don't know any better

Asia server its very different in lower tiers where hill rush is the most common strategy , even at lower tiers like tier 3

Edited by erwin10001, 30 July 2020 - 12:44 AM.

[Muhammad_Zaib]

Mjr_Eazy, on 29 July 2020 - 12:43 PM, said:

Re the strategy as it’s already been noted, it’s more nuanced than just all hill, a combination of hill with good supporting sniping from TD’s at the back and meds/TD’s from the lighthouse to the hill is very effective...

Higher tier games you will see that a lot but you will also see a lot of flanking through town to split the enemy fire/distract them and to get shots on to the snipers so that can allow a hill push and again can be very effective...

but anything tier vi or lower just go hill...

I am working on it. Looking for better Strategies. I will make the thread better when I can. I am thinking of more Strategies other than the hill. But nowadays going to the hill with my Cruiser IV is so fun. It is so fast and I get in no matter if the enemy is guarding the entrance and it causes quite a battle and distracted enemies are just destroyed 

Edited by Muhammad_Zaib, 30 July 2020 - 07:26 AM.

[Muhammad_Zaib]

So I have updated it a bit. The thread has been updated. You can read it again now. I will update it when possible. That AL1 section .... kept typing for at least 30 minutes without a break to finish it. Tired of typing. If anyone wants to help they can help. Help is .... appreciated........ !! 

You can type and paste in the replies.

Edited by Muhammad_Zaib, 30 July 2020 - 07:27 AM.

[erwin10001]

 

I've uploaded a recent game on Mines in the Euro server. I did not do anything special, I wasn't the highest damage player and I certainly missed a few shots and made mistakes, but I felt that this game was useful in showing how an 'average' tank is supposed to fight on hill and sometimes, being 'average' but in the 'correct' position is enough to win games.

 

It also shows the importance of controlling the lighthouse side - in this game, the 2 Red LT went lighthouse, but fortunately, a Panther was there to contest the lighthouse - if the 2 lights had control of lighthouse, there was a chance that they could farm damage from the tanks on hill.

 

One surprise is that some Green tanks rushed hill - i guess it was because they were in a platoon - while they blew up, at least they defended long enough to hold off the ARL44 plat, and did not get blown up by red su-152 in the first minute...

 

 

Edited by erwin10001, 30 July 2020 - 10:27 AM.

[erwin10001]

 

Here's another Mines game in Euro server. Totally average play by me. But this time, we have a platoon & team that actually knows how to play mines and once you put the 'correct tanks' in the 'correct place' on the map, you can be an average player but your chances of winning increase significantly.

 

The reds did not contest the lighthouse in this game, so green team had no fear of being farmed from lighthouse and could fearlessly push.

 

The platoons were evenly matched in terms of winrate but Pz IV S & vk28 are not the best tanks for mines. Kv-1s is a very good Hill attacker. Honestly, I would be at a loss about how to drive the pz IV S in this map if a KV-1s and M6 were controlling the hill (go lighthouse I guess?)

 

Green Platoon: KV-1s (58% wr 10k games,) and P43 (56% wr 9k games).

Red Platoon: Pz IV S (56% wr 10k games) and Vk28 (63% wr 7k games)

Edited by erwin10001, 31 July 2020 - 11:55 AM.

[Muhammad_Zaib]

erwin10001, on 30 July 2020 - 03:19 PM, said:

 

I've uploaded a recent game on Mines in the Euro server. I did not do anything special, I wasn't the highest damage player and I certainly missed a few shots and made mistakes, but I felt that this game was useful in showing how an 'average' tank is supposed to fight on hill and sometimes, being 'average' but in the 'correct' position is enough to win games.

 

It also shows the importance of controlling the lighthouse side - in this game, the 2 Red LT went lighthouse, but fortunately, a Panther was there to contest the lighthouse - if the 2 lights had control of lighthouse, there was a chance that they could farm damage from the tanks on hill.

 

One surprise is that some Green tanks rushed hill - i guess it was because they were in a platoon - while they blew up, at least they defended long enough to hold off the ARL44 plat, and did not get blown up by red su-152 in the first minute...

 

 

How did you upload the replay ? Where did you upload it ? On Armour Inspector Replays ? Where ?

[Mjr_Eazy]

Muhammad_Zaib, on 01 August 2020 - 06:03 AM, said:

How did you upload the replay ? Where did you upload it ? On Armour Inspector Replays ? Where ?

That’s a youtube one, screen record the replay and you can upload to YT then embed the link here using the YT button on a post.

If you don’t have a YT channel, like me, just tap the replay in game, tap the share button and use email to send it to replays@wotinspector.com it will reply with a link to the replay on wotinspector.com and you can paste that link here...

 

Note: wotinspector has a massive library of replays you can watch for tips on tanks and map tactics...

Whilst I’m banging on about wotinspector.com, the other thing it has are heatmaps which show the tactics most used by analysing the huge replay db, the damages one is interesting too...

https://wotinspector.com/en/heatmaps/?ts=1559854340&id=6&platform=blitz

Edited by Mjr_Eazy, 01 August 2020 - 09:40 AM.

[erwin10001]

Mjr_Eazy, on 01 August 2020 - 09:08 AM, said:

That’s a youtube one, screen record the replay and you can upload to YT then embed the link here using the YT button on a post.

If you don’t have a YT channel, like me, just tap the replay in game, tap the share button and use email to send it to replays@wotinspector.com it will reply with a link to the replay on wotinspector.com and you can paste that link here...

 

Note: wotinspector has a massive library of replays you can watch for tips on tanks and map tactics...

Whilst I’m banging on about wotinspector.com, the other thing it has are heatmaps which show the tactics most used by analysing the huge replay db, the damages one is interesting too...

https://wotinspector.com/en/heatmaps/?ts=1559854340&id=6&platform=blitz

 

Thanks, thats super cool.  if they could differentiate servers I suspect one would find that Euro server rushes cap a lot more often than Asia server!

[Mjr_Eazy]

erwin10001, on 01 August 2020 - 11:51 AM, said:

 

Thanks, thats super cool.  if they could differentiate servers I suspect one would find that Euro server rushes cap a lot more often than Asia server!

It would be possible to create them for each region...

I think there is a huge bias in the data to the EU anyway as most of the replays are EU, might be worth suggesting it on their discord...

[Muhammad_Zaib]

Mjr_Eazy, on 01 August 2020 - 02:08 PM, said:

That’s a youtube one, screen record the replay and you can upload to YT then embed the link here using the YT button on a post.

If you don’t have a YT channel, like me, just tap the replay in game, tap the share button and use email to send it to replays@wotinspector.com it will reply with a link to the replay on wotinspector.com and you can paste that link here...

 

Note: wotinspector has a massive library of replays you can watch for tips on tanks and map tactics...

Whilst I’m banging on about wotinspector.com, the other thing it has are heatmaps which show the tactics most used by analysing the huge replay db, the damages one is interesting too...

https://wotinspector.com/en/heatmaps/?ts=1559854340&id=6&platform=blitz

They did not reply.

[Mjr_Eazy]

Muhammad_Zaib, on 06 August 2020 - 06:14 AM, said:

They did not reply.

did you check your junk mail folder?  I’ve never had a problem emailing them replays, I’ve sent thousands...

Actually, I just looked, did it get sent?  There is no replay for your account on wotinspector, u did send it to replays@wotinspector.com

[Muhammad_Zaib]

Mjr_Eazy, on 06 August 2020 - 12:42 PM, said:

did you check your junk mail folder?  I’ve never had a problem emailing them replays, I’ve sent thousands...

Actually, I just looked, did it get sent?  There is no replay for your account on wotinspector, u did send it to replays@wotinspector.com

Can you view the replay only from above?  

[Mjr_Eazy]

Muhammad_Zaib, on 10 August 2020 - 03:47 AM, said:

Can you view the replay only from above?  

if it’s from a previous version of the game yes you can only view it there, if it’s a replay from the current version of the game you can download it and watch it in blitz...

[O_o__O_o__O_o]

My strategy is simple i turn on Supremacy then turn off Encounter. Thats all

I cant lose on Mines 

[Muhammad_Zaib]

Mjr_Eazy, on 10 August 2020 - 12:43 PM, said:

if it’s from a previous version of the game yes you can only view it there, if it’s a replay from the current version of the game you can download it and watch it in blitz...

Oh of course... it is from 7.0 update. BTW can I watch it online instead of downloading and watching in Blitz.

[Mjr_Eazy]

Muhammad_Zaib, on 10 August 2020 - 04:21 PM, said:

Oh of course... it is from 7.0 update. BTW can I watch it online instead of downloading and watching in Blitz.

you can watch online in a top down map inspector type view on wotinspector.com

[Just_merpug]

Mjr_Eazy, on 10 August 2020 - 07:58 PM, said:

you can watch online in a top down map inspector type view on wotinspector.com

Which gives you a lot more information than just watching it in the game client. It's not as pretty, obviously, but if you want to analyse the game, shots, spotting, etc., it's seriously better.