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Why Clans that require a specific Career winrate are egostrokers? (IMO)


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josh33841 #1 Posted 29 June 2020 - 09:19 PM

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Firstly no I havent applied, for some sort of LOCA competitive clan and be turned away nor have I applied for any say "fashionable" clan, before someone instantly submises through the title (though I dont blame you, I would too)

I have no issues with clans having wr requirements let's face it, it separates us the 'pathetic,dirty untrustworthy below 60% like ourselves away from there gift from god skills./s while I joke I believe most people can agree that it has a good function however career winrate requirements are purely aesthetically for the clan. Time for a absolute hyperbolic argument for simplicity sake:

Let's take john, he has 99,000 battles but has a wr of 0%, after 30 days of thinking and reflecting he becomes the ultimate unicum with a whopping 100% percent winrate, a guaranteed tournament winner for his team. He plays 1000 battles once he became enlightened. His 30 day stats are 100% wr, 3838378 avg dmg. He would based purely on the numbers not be allowed to join most top clans due his meager 1% career winrate

Now while I've obviously blown all of this out of proportion by a ridiculous degree, I believe my post  still stands that the career requirement Is both silly and should be made fun of.



jonty_2014 #2 Posted 29 June 2020 - 10:49 PM

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They are.

 

But it’s the clan leaders rules to set an admission criteria.

 

There are some clans that don’t have WR criteria.

 

You could of course, be like the famous Groucho Marx:  “I don't care to belong to any club that will have me as a member."

 

 


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Titus_Scato #3 Posted 30 June 2020 - 12:21 AM

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View Postjonty_2014, on 29 June 2020 - 10:49 PM, said:

 

You could of course, be like the famous Groucho Marx:  “I don't care to belong to any club that will have me as a member."

 

 

:teethhappy:

 

Josh, change your username to Groucho_Marx (it's available in EU) then re-apply!  Please?  

 

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josh33841 #4 Posted 30 June 2020 - 02:02 AM

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Nice joke, nice to hear that name after a while though I was the only one who had not forgotten him! However no, I'm serious I havent ever applied to a prestigious class, I find them generally toxic,very narcissistic and I believe to be quite frank they must *ahem* pleasure themselves while gawking at their own career wr though as I pointed out in my post, is almost meaningless

DumbApe #5 Posted 30 June 2020 - 08:38 AM

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To be fair to clans that use WR for joining I'll point out it is usually just one of the criteria applied.  For quite a few of the 'senior/competitive' clans there is often an audition as well.

 

Folks should try to appreciate that building up a clan isn't easy and making it work is more than just numbers... you need people to get along and get involved.  In our clan we have some very good players and some that are not so good.  We have introduced 'some' criteria, not WR though, to help us with recruitment.  The most important things though are a sense of fun and a desire to join in.  For this having Discord is a big plus and the return for using it is often the laughs and giggles during games. 

 

Another point is if the clan has even half a clue then they are going to check out Blitzstars for the 30,60 & 90 stats.  Career stats are pretty meaningless and don't fool anyone given the use/abuse of rolls etc... 


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Jukkis74 #6 Posted 30 June 2020 - 09:02 AM

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I think that is very understandable (especially in combination of average tier and or 30/60/90 day performance). Some (many in case of competitive players?) strongly prefer tooning with players of similar skill level. If everyone is above some threshold then that part is given. I am not playing tournaments, but I presume same (even more?) would apply there.

 

Also, I think it is very rare to see people improve much more than 10-12 percentage points in wr. If you aim everyone in clan to reach say wr 70, then say wr 55 is very challenging starting point.



I_C4NT_W1N_ #7 Posted 30 June 2020 - 09:06 AM

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I find my 55% WR VERY challenging right now its still dropping !!!!

Replicant_2 #8 Posted 30 June 2020 - 09:11 AM

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If you want to race in F1 beating you kids in a tricycle race around the garden is a challenging starting point.
Elite clubs are elite, they worked for it, they have the talent and time to get there it’s their right and being butthurt about it makes you look funny not them.
Equally somebody could set up a clan with entry criteria of at least £1k worth of premiums in the garage, they just want to hang out with folks of similar status, get over it

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jylpah #9 Posted 30 June 2020 - 09:16 AM

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I think the key point of the entry criteria is just to stop them receiving tons of trash applications from players that are far from suitable.

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I_Fought_the_Law #10 Posted 30 June 2020 - 10:47 AM

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View PostJukkis74, on 30 June 2020 - 09:02 AM, said:

I think that is very understandable (especially in combination of average tier and or 30/60/90 day performance). Some (many in case of competitive players?) strongly prefer tooning with players of similar skill level. If everyone is above some threshold then that part is given. I am not playing tournaments, but I presume same (even more?) would apply there.

 

Also, I think it is very rare to see people improve much more than 10-12 percentage points in wr. If you aim everyone in clan to reach say wr 70, then say wr 55 is very challenging starting point.

Lol, it's been done in under 30 days.



jylpah #11 Posted 30 June 2020 - 11:25 AM

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View PostI_Fought_the_Law, on 30 June 2020 - 12:47 PM, said:

Lol, it's been done in under 30 days.

 

"Rare" does not mean that something does not or cannot happen. https://www.dictionary.com/browse/rare


Edited by jylpah, 30 June 2020 - 11:25 AM.

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Knickerson #12 Posted 30 June 2020 - 11:32 AM

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I don't think my clan has a WR requirement. Feel free to apply, however, we don't do tournaments or platoon much. We just, you know, use it for the benefits. I honestly don't know how many are still active.
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tolgayasar99 #13 Posted 30 June 2020 - 01:48 PM

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just make a reroll with 80% wr = profit

Edited by tolgayasar99, 30 June 2020 - 01:48 PM.


Col_Foster #14 Posted 30 June 2020 - 08:21 PM

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I have no WR requirements in my clan, just no bad language and have fun (a bit difficult at times at the momment) and a limit of not playing for seven months before removal from clan.

I_Fought_the_Law #15 Posted 30 June 2020 - 09:02 PM

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View Postjylpah, on 30 June 2020 - 11:25 AM, said:

 

"Rare" does not mean that something does not or cannot happen. https://www.dictionary.com/browse/rare


I know dude...it did happen, I was the one that spotted it, after 4 years, from ok player to super Unicom, damage ratio up by 30%, all under 30 days and it’s been like that ever since...rng eh?...lol


Edited by I_Fought_the_Law, 30 June 2020 - 09:16 PM.


RynnivaTykki #16 Posted 01 July 2020 - 09:28 AM

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Guess what: any decent clan gets a flood of applications from bad and average players even WITH a high WR requirement. Imagine how big the flood would be WITHOUT that requirement. It's quite annoying to deal with those applications every single day.

BorgR3mc0 #17 Posted 01 July 2020 - 09:30 AM

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My current clan has both WR and number of battles played requirements. Not very high, 50% and 5000 battles. And if you cannot meet these requirements there is a secondary clan.
Another requirement is that you must be an active player plus general rules about fun and no bad language.
I think this primarily to weed out truly bad players and total noobs. It is nothing extreme. Nor ego boosting.

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Pururut #18 Posted 01 July 2020 - 10:04 AM

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Sigh... I really dont feel like it but whatever.. someone has to state the obvious.

 

Win rating requirement has nothing to do with ego. There exists a correlation between learning the game and your average damage. The more you learn, the more efficient you become as an individual and the more efficient you become the higher chances your team has at winning. How do you learn the game? By a combination of self-help and asking others on the internet in the form of conversations, text/visual guides and etc. All of this have one thing in common which is time. Be it a game or life, when you are improving yourself at a certain subject you spend time and very possibly money. As such we can deduct that winrating is mostly influenced by how much investible time you have. Some people have traits which allow them to create more of the given type of time but ultimately win rating requirement is there to seperate the weed from the chaff whom are those that have the time and desire to get better at something from those that dont possess both at communally acceptable levels. Same goes for life as well.. education, contacts, social circles, career... it boils down to time, money and personality.

 

People with high winrates tend to be more egoistic which is kinda funny both in individual and societal levels. Consensus seem to agree that those who overachieve should have the right to stroke their ego but those who do are shunned as maturity is expected to develop alongside success which is antogonistic to such behavior. Text book sample of society not knowing what it wants or needs but more on that later. At the end of the day competitive clans will check your 30-60-90 day stats. 

 


Edited by Pururut, 01 July 2020 - 10:06 AM.


I_Fought_the_Law #19 Posted 01 July 2020 - 05:14 PM

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Interesting point, which makes it even more less credible that anyone could improve that much with a relatively low battle count...strange but true.

TankyMacTanker #20 Posted 01 July 2020 - 06:48 PM

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View Postjosh33841, on 29 June 2020 - 09:19 PM, said:

His 30 day stats are 100% wr, 3838378 avg dmg. He would based purely on the numbers not be allowed to join most top clans due his meager 1% career winrate

 

It can go the other way (making this all about me).  I have a mediocre 49+% career rate, but the last 30 days have been the worst I have seen ever.  I don't know why.  Way too many 7-0, 7-1, 7-2, and 7-3 games (7s to the reds to be clear!).






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