←  Gameplay

Main page

»

Loot Boxes again... Pressure mounting

Selthae's Photo Selthae 03 Jul 2020

btw, where is RagingRabbit anyway.
Quote

DaDerpinator's Photo DaDerpinator 04 Jul 2020

View PostTangoAlpha1, on 03 July 2020 - 08:07 AM, said:

It’s not a case of a nanny state. 

 

Governments responsibilities are around protecting the interests of their citizens- safety is an important function of the state.

 

Let’s be clear- these are exploitative actions from WarGaming. They dangle the carrot of the prize but knowing for the vast majority that carrot is unattainable. They aim to hook you with the free crates then offer the prize, knowing that reward function of addiction is their income generator.

 

To further exacerbate this, the rewards received are often less than the sum paid. An example, £9 for a VK crate lands you 500 gold, 15 parts of a 1hour premium certificate, and 5 xp boosters- you’re looking at £3 worth of rewards. That is fraud - to sell something available at a cheaper price in store for an inflated price under the potential minimalist chance of landing something big- it’s wrong but it’s designed knowing that the reward anticipation will get vulnerable people to spend again and again until they end up penniless or depressed.

 

Let’s be honest here- this is exactly the same tactic employed by gambling companies and drug dealers to get you hooked on their products, neither of whom promote the kind of ethical business model I’d want my business to follow!!!

 

Great for the profit margins but if WarGaming was any kind of decent business, they would recognise the harm they’re doing to customers and address it. 

 

Don’t get me wrong, I buy a crate here and there but I do so knowing I will only spend a few quid and if I don’t get the prize I know I’ve done so willingly, I can control that but I’ve overcome addiction and I know how strong the pull of crates are.

 

This business practice is morally reprehensible and the CCs and WarGaming need to have a serious discussion on the long term psychological impacts on their customers of this practice along with the negative reputational it has on their brand.

 

 

 

 

I agree. good post. except for the highlighted bit. the six pounds is the charge for the chance of getting the tank. same principle as buying a lottery ticket. you may get nothing. you pay for the chance of getting something.

Quote

DaDerpinator's Photo DaDerpinator 04 Jul 2020

View PostSelthae, on 04 July 2020 - 09:54 AM, said:

btw, where is RagingRabbit anyway.

 

digging up carrots?..

Quote

Mjr_Eazy's Photo Mjr_Eazy 04 Jul 2020

View PostSelthae, on 03 July 2020 - 11:54 PM, said:

btw, where is RagingRabbit anyway.

Raging somewhere else?

Quote

Woefk68's Photo Woefk68 04 Jul 2020

View PostPlayer_7328394374, on 03 July 2020 - 10:41 AM, said:


i assume this is in belgium?

 

Yes 


Edited by Woefk68, 04 July 2020 - 09:19 AM.
Quote

Player_7328394374's Photo Player_7328394374 04 Jul 2020

View PostWoefk68, on 04 July 2020 - 09:11 AM, said:

Yes 


i guess the belgium mps are alot like ours, make a new law to make it look like your tackling the issue then fill it with loop holes so your mates who run the gambling companies can carry on doing what they were doing before :D

 

so 0 progress made on this throughout the whole of europe? :D

Quote

Titus_Scato's Photo Titus_Scato 04 Jul 2020

WG are breaking the law by selling crates in Belgium.

 

But if the fine the Belgian government levies for breaking the law is less than the amount of money that WG makes from selling crates in the EU (almost certainly the case on an annual basis) then WG will go right on breaking the law, year after year, and just pay the annual fine.

 

It will take a lot more than just one country in the EU region to start issuing fines to make WG change their EU server policy.


Edited by Titus_Scato, 04 July 2020 - 02:10 PM.
Quote

Mjr_Eazy's Photo Mjr_Eazy 04 Jul 2020

Are WG breaking the law in Belgium?  The Belgium authorities were gonna prosecute EA and I would have thought they’d to after those breaking the law but you’re right re the fines,  I’ve worked at plenty of firms where we have assessed the fine vs the cost of compliance also factoring the opportunity cost from having to spend on compliance and decided to risk the fine as a cost of doing business
Quote

Player_7328394374's Photo Player_7328394374 04 Jul 2020

Sounds like a slap on the wrist, European governments not showing intent in terms of getting rid of gamble crates
Quote

Titus_Scato's Photo Titus_Scato 04 Jul 2020

View PostMjr_Eazy, on 04 July 2020 - 03:34 PM, said:

Are WG breaking the law in Belgium?  The Belgium authorities were gonna prosecute EA and I would have thought they’d to after those breaking the law but you’re right re the fines,  I’ve worked at plenty of firms where we have assessed the fine vs the cost of compliance also factoring the opportunity cost from having to spend on compliance and decided to risk the fine as a cost of doing business

 

Asian countries work on bribes.  European countries work on fines.

Quote

TangoAlpha1's Photo TangoAlpha1 04 Jul 2020

View PostDaDerpinator, on 04 July 2020 - 03:19 AM, said:

 

I agree. good post. except for the highlighted bit. the six pounds is the charge for the chance of getting the tank. same principle as buying a lottery ticket. you may get nothing. you pay for the chance of getting something.


But if the rewards were equivalent to the spend, no one is getting stung and WG, whilst still employing a questionable approach, would be keeping the playerbase happy (to an extent).

 

It wouldn’t be a difficult thing to do but to draw people into spending and then giving undervalued “rewards” is akin to the school bully stealing your lunch money and rewarding you with a kick in the shins and a wedgie!!! 

 

At least, if the rewards were proportional to the cost, it would lessen a lot of animosity.

 

That said, best solution is bin them entirely, although I can’t see that happening and knowing the way these all operate they’ll develop some new way to rip us all off!

Quote

DaDerpinator's Photo DaDerpinator 06 Jul 2020

View PostTangoAlpha1, on 05 July 2020 - 07:32 AM, said:


But if the rewards were equivalent to the spend, no one is getting stung and WG, whilst still employing a questionable approach, would be keeping the playerbase happy (to an extent).

 

It wouldn’t be a difficult thing to do but to draw people into spending and then giving undervalued “rewards” is akin to the school bully stealing your lunch money and rewarding you with a kick in the shins and a wedgie!!! 

 

At least, if the rewards were proportional to the cost, it would lessen a lot of animosity.

 

That said, best solution is bin them entirely, although I can’t see that happening and knowing the way these all operate they’ll develop some new way to rip us all off!

 

You missed the point. you are paying for the chance to win. same as with a lottery ticket. but I agree, the rewards if you don't win could be much better. in fact it would be advantageous from WG's pov to make them so, as it would encourage more players to buy loot boxes, by knowing they would have a good result even if they don't get the tank.


Edited by DaDerpinator, 06 July 2020 - 01:33 AM.
Quote

Mjr_Eazy's Photo Mjr_Eazy 06 Jul 2020

Sounds like another loophole, just value crap stuff too highly to pad crates then they’re not gambling, you’re buying the crate with a reward equal to it’s price.  I’ve not checked but is that how they get round the Belgian law?  as things like those free xp certs and boosters are way overpriced!
Quote

Pea_Nut's Photo Pea_Nut 06 Jul 2020

View PostTitus_Scato, on 04 July 2020 - 02:09 PM, said:

WG are breaking the law by selling crates in Belgium.

 

But if the fine the Belgian government levies for breaking the law is less than the amount of money that WG makes from selling crates in the EU (almost certainly the case on an annual basis) then WG will go right on breaking the law, year after year, and just pay the annual fine.

 

It will take a lot more than just one country in the EU region to start issuing fines to make WG change their EU server policy.


This will not be the case for apps on the Apple store. Any app that conflicts with local law for the country it is sold in will be in breach of the contract they have with Apple and will be pulled immediately.

 

Just depends if the Belgium loot box law only applies to apps hosted in Belgium rather than off-shore.

 

Law makers are normally pretty clueless when it comes to technology.

 

The UK attempted to bring into law a country wide porn block over the last few years for under 18s. After spending 10s of millions they got to within 2 weeks of the implementation date then abandoned it when the tech industry informed them that any free VPN will simply circumvent it and it would be a data privacy tracking nightmare. Never underestimate the stupidity of politicians, law makers and those with tin foil hats.

 

:child:

 


Edited by Pea_Nut, 06 July 2020 - 06:40 AM.
Quote