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Mjr_Leicht #10721 Posted 24 November 2020 - 02:14 PM

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Ah the old if you spend money they remove the rigging theory...
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_duke2244 #10722 Posted 24 November 2020 - 04:40 PM

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View PostWings_of_Desire, on 24 November 2020 - 02:10 PM, said:

"But saying that is "intentional" is just silly. There are far more simpler explanations like random lags in some parts of network. Temporary server overload etc."
When you consider how many extra millions wargaming will make by keeping wr down in some cases, up in others, then the "intentional" in the previous sentence becomes more obvious and less silly. The explanations offered may or may not be true, as difficult to prove as rigging is, and could be the result of the dogged refusal to believe that wargaming wouldn't do what every other free to play game does.


And how many "extra" millions WG is making by rigging the MM? How would it even impact their profitability?



Wings_of_Desire #10723 Posted 24 November 2020 - 06:09 PM

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View PostMjr_Leicht, on 24 November 2020 - 02:14 PM, said:

Ah the old if you spend money they remove the rigging theory...


Nope, if you spend money that’s just the icing on the cake. The name of the game is keeping people in the game for as long as possible, that way, the more people there are to actually spend. You don’t actually get rewarded for spending, that would be too obvious, but really, if I’m having to spell this out in detail, explains a lot in your ability to understand what I’m really talking about.



Wings_of_Desire #10724 Posted 24 November 2020 - 06:14 PM

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View Post_duke2244, on 24 November 2020 - 04:40 PM, said:


And how many "extra" millions WG is making by rigging the MM? How would it even impact their profitability?

I don’t think they rig mm enough for it to impact too much on stats, the fact they do place higher tier toons on opposing sides around 90% of the time will be obvious if you take note of toons wr in every battle, a pain I’ll admit, but worth it to cut through the smoke and mirrors. Why they do this for so little reward eludes me, unless they aren’t really that smart.



Mjr_Eazy #10725 Posted 24 November 2020 - 07:23 PM

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View PostWings_of_Desire, on 24 November 2020 - 06:09 PM, said:


Nope, if you spend money that’s just the icing on the cake. The name of the game is keeping people in the game for as long as possible, that way, the more people there are to actually spend. You don’t actually get rewarded for spending, that would be too obvious, but really, if I’m having to spell this out in detail, explains a lot in your ability to understand what I’m really talking about.


lol, yes it’s me, your theory is not totally incoherent ramblings...


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Wings_of_Desire #10726 Posted 24 November 2020 - 08:02 PM

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View PostMjr_Eazy, on 24 November 2020 - 07:23 PM, said:


lol, yes it’s me, your theory is not totally incoherent ramblings...


To you, yes, it probably is.



Mjr_Eazy #10727 Posted Yesterday, 08:40 AM

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View PostWings_of_Desire, on 24 November 2020 - 08:02 PM, said:


To you, yes, it probably is.


Lol, Touche!  Good one Canny...

Yes u r right ofc your theories are all logically coherent and make perfect sense...

To a believer.


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_duke2244 #10728 Posted Yesterday, 09:03 AM

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View PostWings_of_Desire, on 24 November 2020 - 06:14 PM, said:

I don’t think they rig mm enough for it to impact too much on stats, the fact they do place higher tier toons on opposing sides around 90% of the time will be obvious if you take note of toons wr in every battle, a pain I’ll admit, but worth it to cut through the smoke and mirrors. Why they do this for so little reward eludes me, unless they aren’t really that smart.

 

View PostWings_of_Desire, on 24 November 2020 - 02:10 PM, said:

 When you consider how many extra millions wargaming will make by keeping wr down in some cases, up in others, then the "intentional" in the previous sentence becomes more obvious and less silly. 

 

So you're saying they don't make much through rigging, but also that they make "extra millions" on it. Obviously, I'm too small brained to understand the wisdom of your words, but could you please try and explain this phenomenon to us, mortals?


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Wings_of_Desire #10729 Posted Yesterday, 09:18 AM

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Sure, I don't think they rig mm to control wr enough to affect it. They do control mm to some extent, as is noticed by the aforementioned platoons.
It's a good bet that they control wr by far easier methods like RNG and view range, from their point of view difficult to prove, but if you observe the frequency in difference in RNG it's pretty regular when you have a high enough wr.

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View PostWings_of_Desire, on 25 November 2020 - 11:18 AM, said:

Sure, I don't think they rig mm to control wr enough to affect it. They do control mm to some extent, as is noticed by the aforementioned platoons.
It's a good bet that they control wr by far easier methods like RNG and view range, from their point of view difficult to prove, but if you observe the frequency in difference in RNG it's pretty regular when you have a high enough wr.

 

 

View PostWings_of_Desire, on 24 November 2020 - 08:14 PM, said:

I don’t think they rig mm enough for it to impact too much on stats, the fact they do place higher tier toons on opposing sides around 90% of the time will be obvious if you take note of toons wr in every battle, a pain I’ll admit, but worth it to cut through the smoke and mirrors. Why they do this for so little reward eludes me, unless they aren’t really that smart.

 

I am bit confused what do you mean here. Do you mean they place 90% of the time higher tier toons on the red team than the green team or what? Not that it would be even possible, but whatever, it is a nice theory.

 

 

 

 

 


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Wings_of_Desire #10731 Posted Yesterday, 07:47 PM

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Mate, of course that would be possible, but if you put what I posted in context with previous posts you'd understand that I mean 90% of the time if you get a high tier toon on one side, you'll get on on the other. To experience that though you'll have to be a part of the higher tier toon.

Wings_of_Desire #10732 Posted Yesterday, 09:44 PM

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No message on this one, no “ricochet” or anything. The gun is actually inside the enemy tank, he’s be3n in front of me in the same position for over 5 seconds, so lag would make no difference. Clearly it should have penned and done damage but zilch. A true ghost shot.

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Mjr_Eazy #10733 Posted Today, 12:12 AM

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View PostWings_of_Desire, on 25 November 2020 - 09:44 PM, said:

No message on this one, no “ricochet” or anything. The gun is actually inside the enemy tank, he’s be3n in front of me in the same position for over 5 seconds, so lag would make no difference. Clearly it should have penned and done damage but zilch. A true ghost shot.


This drivel with screenshots again :D

You are persistent at least, altho it's what you'd expect of a true believer...

No need for a replay, no other possible explanation than rigging is there :facepalm:


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Richard_Geres_Hamster #10734 Posted Today, 06:23 AM

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View PostWings_of_Desire, on 25 November 2020 - 09:44 PM, said:

No message on this one, no “ricochet” or anything. The gun is actually inside the enemy tank, he’s be3n in front of me in the same position for over 5 seconds, so lag would make no difference. Clearly it should have penned and done damage but zilch. A true ghost shot.

 

Quite simple Strummer. You hit the barrel of his/her gun.

 

When face hugging I use the same technique. Works well.



Tijgerhaai_XIV #10735 Posted Today, 08:25 AM

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So, the 80% player can accurately see variance in RNG without ever recording and analysing it. Their gut instinct is enough to be accurate. Their belief that WG is lowering their WR is wholly justified, without them having to provide any proof.

However, a 44% player making the same claims, with the same anecdotal evidence, with the same feeling of injustice, is just deluded.

Or am I missing something?

 


Wings_of_Desire #10736 Posted Today, 02:36 PM

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If it's there you can see it, checking team damage periodically will verify what you can see, it's nothing to do with gut instinct. To the previous poster, the end of the barrel was inside the tank,but even if that's a bug, no "ricochet".
Except of course the one wg shot themselves in the foot with.

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View PostWings_of_Desire, on 26 November 2020 - 02:36 PM, said:

If it's there you can see it, checking team damage periodically will verify what you can see, it's nothing to do with gut instinct. To the previous poster, the end of the barrel was inside the tank,but even if that's a bug, no "ricochet".
Except of course the one wg shot themselves in the foot with.

 

You say that checking team damage periodically can prove your theories, but Jylpah made that research (I have as well, preliminarily) and there's nothing like you're saying. This is something that's easily checked with data, but it's just not there.






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