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Endtastic #11881 Posted 30 July 2021 - 04:41 PM

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gallabru #11882 Posted 30 July 2021 - 04:42 PM

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This would not deserve a ban or a deletion in my book, except for the fact that it is not about MM. On the other hand, 'MM thread' and 'Strummer' are synonymic.

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gallabru #11883 Posted 30 July 2021 - 06:20 PM

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Ok, tried with replays at tier 6, 7 and 8. I kept only games with at least 1 Annihilator in the game.

 

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There is one game at tier 8 where there was only one Annihilator after 8.1. I set 8.1 the 14th July at 0h:0min:1s. Might actually be a late (early) game before update actually came.


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Mjr_Eazy #11884 Posted 31 July 2021 - 01:07 AM

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View Postgallabru, on 30 July 2021 - 06:20 PM, said:

Ok, tried with replays at tier 6, 7 and 8. I kept only games with at least 1 Annihilator in the game.

 

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There is one game at tier 8 where there was only one Annihilator after 8.1. I set 8.1 the 14th July at 0h:0min:1s. Might actually be a late (early) game before update actually came.

That looks almost conclusive, if it wasn't for that pesky outlier...

It's not my broken one I posted earlier is it?  

 https://replays.woti...2c9ddab3a539738

 

 


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DaDerpinator #11885 Posted 31 July 2021 - 03:32 AM

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Saw this on facebook, lol

 

 


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I'm not complaining, I'm communicating a matter of significant importance and extreme relevance  :)

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gallabru #11887 Posted 31 July 2021 - 07:17 AM

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Nope, there are a few broken replays, but I am removing them.
I could try to dig to find which one it is.

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Mjr_Eazy #11888 Posted 31 July 2021 - 07:38 AM

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View Postgallabru, on 31 July 2021 - 07:17 AM, said:

Nope, there are a few broken replays, but I am removing them.
I could try to dig to find which one it is.


would be interesting to know as could well be your theory about the timing, ie it was matched on old version because of time, but given the update happens at different times across the servers and the data is all servers I’d have thought there would be more, I think I was still playing on 8.0 until 9/10 am on the day of update but can’t be 100% sure…

 


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Jukkis74 #11889 Posted 31 July 2021 - 09:38 AM

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I saw yesterday a lone Anni in t8 match (not myself playing Annies). Other Annies were matched. Most MM rules have exceptions, but so far evidence looks like there was big change in latest update.

Mjr_Eazy #11890 Posted 31 July 2021 - 10:17 AM

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View PostJukkis74, on 31 July 2021 - 09:38 AM, said:

I saw yesterday a lone Anni in t8 match (not myself playing Annies). Other Annies were matched. Most MM rules have exceptions, but so far evidence looks like there was big change in latest update.


True, there might not be another Anni to match with, maybe it then up-tiers solo Anni’s?  Seems like we may not get enough data for the outliers but it’s looking like Anni is getting special treatment, I’ve played a fair bit of Smasher too, purely for research purposes

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not seen the same thing.  Personally I’ve no problem with them giving Anni special treatment, it is broken and not crying even though my wr in it has gone from 64 to 61 in it, which shows it is adding some balance as a drunken noob like me shouldn’t have 64 WR at tier vii!

 

Kudos to @Wednesdayarecrud for highlighting it and @gallabru for the research. :medal:


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gallabru #11891 Posted 31 July 2021 - 06:34 PM

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Ihave left some baits and questions of the official WG Discord. We will see. Let's not rule out the possibility of a bug (like the top-tier-toon one a few updates ago).

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QuietWarreior #11892 Posted 02 August 2021 - 12:04 PM

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View PostMjr_Eazy, on 29 July 2021 - 08:44 AM, said:

If it is the MM, it’s only sometimes, I had very similar the last couple of days, eventually ground it up to 40%…

I switched supremacy off I just find it unplayable at present as can’t seem to get a team mate that understands, winning on points is a thing…

The player base are just generally bad, 80% of players have 55 or less WR so you gotta be able to carry, I’m just not good enough to consistently carry 6 potatoes,  the likes of Doughnuts, Jylpah, End are, applying Hanlon’s razor my initial thought was it is not malice from WG just incompetence from me… I know it’s easier to believe it’s WG but so far there’s no proof of them interfering with MM in regular battles…

 

BUT it is looking like they have messed with MM for Annihilators and maybe they screwed something up, they’re certainly incompetent enough to do it!  I’m saving replays to analyse the MM, can you do the same and if you have 100 already send them to me to analyse please?  If so PM me and I’ll give you a link to save them on my google drive…

If WG are able to control the rating battles, they should also be able to control the regular battles…??



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View PostQuietWarreior, on 02 August 2021 - 01:04 PM, said:

If WG are able to control the rating battles, they should also be able to control the regular battles…??

In what way do they control the rating battles? 


                                                                                                                                       


Mjr_Eazy #11894 Posted 02 August 2021 - 01:36 PM

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View Postgallabru, on 31 July 2021 - 06:34 PM, said:

Ihave left some baits and questions of the official WG Discord. We will see. Let's not rule out the possibility of a bug (like the top-tier-toon one a few updates ago).


Did you get any bites? I was thinking of sending a ticket but not sure if I can be bothered as will just get fobbed off...

@Endtastic is this something you could raise with them?, ie since 8.1 Anni's are matched in battle with other Anni's...


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View PostMjr_Eazy, on 31 July 2021 - 12:17 PM, said:


  Personally I’ve no problem with them giving Anni special treatment, it is broken and not crying even though my wr in it has gone from 64 to 61 in it, which shows it is adding some balance as a drunken noob like me shouldn’t have 64 WR at tier vii!

 

WG should balance the tank instead of applying band-aid...


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gallabru #11896 Posted 02 August 2021 - 04:39 PM

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Here is the analysis of all replays in July that Jylpah kindly sent to me. I kept only the games containing at least one Annihilator : 199 games were posted after the 14th of July at 00:00:01 (red line). 

There is a clear difference in the number of Annihilator per team (reminder, 0 means as many per team).

 

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There are 11 games between the 14th and 15th with unbalanced Annihilator (1 in one team) : 3 on the Asia server, 4 the on the NA server, 1 on the EU server (played at 06:05:02 the 14th) and 2 on the RU server (the latest played at 16:31 the 14th). From the 15th on, the number of Anni per team was the same.


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Wildsow226 #11897 Posted 02 August 2021 - 05:20 PM

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I think it balances out the games a bit better when you have the same number of Annis per team.

But why don’t they do the same with the Smashers as well?

May it be that there are way more Annies as they were the main prize in the Halloween event, which had to be paid but was of course way cheaper than the first sell and the following crate events for the Smasher?



gallabru #11898 Posted 02 August 2021 - 06:00 PM

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The Smasher was not targeted visibly

 

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@Mjr : Nah, not much bites, but many have noticed. Left a ticket to the customer support. :sceptic:


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Mjr_Eazy #11899 Posted 02 August 2021 - 06:07 PM

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View Postgallabru, on 02 August 2021 - 04:39 PM, said:

Here is the analysis of all replays in July that Jylpah kindly sent to me. I kept only the games containing at least one Annihilator : 199 games were posted after the 14th of July at 00:00:01 (red line). 

There is a clear difference in the number of Annihilator per team (reminder, 0 means as many per team).

 

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There are 11 games between the 14th and 15th with unbalanced Annihilator (1 in one team) : 3 on the Asia server, 4 the on the NA server, 1 on the EU server (played at 06:05:02 the 14th) and 2 on the RU server (the latest played at 16:31 the 14th). From the 15th on, the number of Anni per team was the same.


Nice work, most of them on EU are probably mine :)  I've got somewhere around 100 uploaded...

It does look like the ones with different numbers of Anni's were the old version, given the timing...

@Gallabru you can confirm this, if you use unzip to unzip the replay files, it extracts 3 files, 2 binary and 1 text (= meta.json) per replay and the json file has the version in it...

I'm guessing one of the binary files might have the server in it but I don't know how to decode them...


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smasher is balanced compared to anni

 






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