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The_Angry_Tank_Commander #1 Posted 12 January 2021 - 01:32 PM

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I was in my T28 Defender when I spotted an Emil not moving nor was he behind cover or doing anything. I shot him twice and on my third shot he vanished.

 

How is this possible? Is the spot and hide that screwed up???



Endtastic #2 Posted 12 January 2021 - 01:33 PM

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I suppose replay does not exist, and it it does you can only provide us with some random screenshots. Am I right?

net4force #3 Posted 12 January 2021 - 01:39 PM

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it's called 'Mad games'.

gallabru #4 Posted 12 January 2021 - 01:51 PM

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it's called 'viewrange'

 

Although, there has been at some point a mechanism when an unspotted AFK player was automatically destroyed when he was last tank in game. It was never clear (to me at least) what were the conditions to get that.


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Mjr_Leicht #5 Posted 12 January 2021 - 02:03 PM

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Upload the replay to wotinspector and look at the replay you’ll see he was probably near the limit of your view-range and backed up out of it or went behind cover...

 

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These links will help...

http://forum.wotblitz.eu/index.php?/topic/30165-spotting-and-camo-mechanics-guide/

http://forum.wotblitz.eu/index.php?/topic/47868-spotting-mechanisms-of-wotb-a-paper-by-frodo-nifinger-updated-list-13-2019/

 

 


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The_Angry_Tank_Commander #6 Posted 12 January 2021 - 02:05 PM

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https://map.wotinspe...&platform=blitz

 

Replay.



The_Angry_Tank_Commander #7 Posted 12 January 2021 - 02:05 PM

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View PostMjr_Leicht, on 12 January 2021 - 02:03 PM, said:

Upload the replay to wotinspector and look at the replay you’ll see he was probably near the limit of your view-range and backed up out of it or went behind cover...

 

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These links will help...

http://forum.wotblitz.eu/index.php?/topic/30165-spotting-and-camo-mechanics-guide/

http://forum.wotblitz.eu/index.php?/topic/47868-spotting-mechanisms-of-wotb-a-paper-by-frodo-nifinger-updated-list-13-2019/

 

 

He never moved nor did I. I was waiting on my third shot to load when he just vanished.



Widd1 #8 Posted 12 January 2021 - 02:52 PM

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You were obviously not spotting him yourself, he left the view range of your teammate as he/she probably moved. It’s just the spotting mechanics.

 



The_Angry_Tank_Commander #9 Posted 12 January 2021 - 03:16 PM

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View PostWidd1, on 12 January 2021 - 02:52 PM, said:

You were obviously not spotting him yourself, he left the view range of your teammate as he/she probably moved. It’s just the spotting mechanics.

 

It's very strange how I can plug two shots into a stationary tank and it just vanish.

 

I don't understand how the tank is not qualified as being spotted by me while it is being shot.


Edited by The_Angry_Tank_Commander, 12 January 2021 - 03:16 PM.


gallabru #10 Posted 12 January 2021 - 03:26 PM

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My interpretation.

When you are shooting, he is at 268.158 m. Your view range is 266m. I suppose that the ActionX spotted him at 42s (or so), not you. When climbing, the Emil is still in LOS of the ActionX but from 50s, or so, on he loses sight on him. Around 1 min, 9s later, its camo resets and he becomes invisible to you. He becomes visible again when the Tiger II spots him around 1'08".

 

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The_Angry_Tank_Commander #11 Posted 12 January 2021 - 03:40 PM

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View Postgallabru, on 12 January 2021 - 03:26 PM, said:

My interpretation.

When you are shooting, he is at 268.158 m. Your view range is 266m. I suppose that the ActionX spotted him at 42s (or so), not you. When climbing, the Emil is still in LOS of the ActionX but from 50s, or so, on he loses sight on him. Around 1 min, 9s later, its camo resets and he becomes invisible to you. He becomes visible again when the Tiger II spots him around 1'08".

 

Thumbs up for sharing the replay.

I find the spotting and hiding very strange.



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View PostThe_Angry_Tank_Commander, on 12 January 2021 - 04:40 PM, said:

I find the spotting and hiding very strange.

Might be worth to check such videos out: https://www.youtube....?v=P7WBstbZJt8. I also recommend this guy: https://www.youtube....?v=YIAwi_hTEzg. You don't have to speak Russian to understand his videos.



Mjr_Leicht #13 Posted 12 January 2021 - 07:31 PM

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View Postgallabru, on 12 January 2021 - 03:26 PM, said:

My interpretation.

When you are shooting, he is at 268.158 m. Your view range is 266m. I suppose that the ActionX spotted him at 42s (or so), not you. When climbing, the Emil is still in LOS of the ActionX but from 50s, or so, on he loses sight on him. Around 1 min, 9s later, its camo resets and he becomes invisible to you. He becomes visible again when the Tiger II spots him around 1'08".

 

Thumbs up for sharing the replay.

 

View PostThe_Angry_Tank_Commander, on 12 January 2021 - 03:40 PM, said:

I find the spotting and hiding very strange.


thanks for sharing, @Angry  and nice analysis @gallabru, I had a look at the replay and it looks like you said he was outside the view-range..

I appreciate it’s strange but it’s how it works... 


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cooldriving #14 Posted 12 January 2021 - 07:36 PM

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But even if he is out of the range, he would still be able to blind shoot him, if he wasn't moving

The_Angry_Tank_Commander #15 Posted 12 January 2021 - 07:55 PM

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View Postcooldriving, on 12 January 2021 - 07:36 PM, said:

But even if he is out of the range, he would still be able to blind shoot him, if he wasn't moving

I've found that sometimes damage is not given even though the tank loses HP.

 

View PostEndtastic, on 12 January 2021 - 03:51 PM, said:

Might be worth to check such videos out: https://www.youtube....?v=P7WBstbZJt8. I also recommend this guy: https://www.youtube....?v=YIAwi_hTEzg. You don't have to speak Russian to understand his videos.

Thanks for the links. I'll have a look.


 

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View PostThe_Angry_Tank_Commander, on 12 January 2021 - 08:55 PM, said:

I've found that sometimes damage is not given even though the tank loses HP.

 

Thanks for the links. I'll have a look.


 

Do not hesitate to check some of his other videos, he shows how to pen red areas and similar interesting stuff.



Just_merpug #17 Posted 14 January 2021 - 02:02 PM

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If you run the replay in Map Inspector, you can choose "Display" from the menu on the left, and from the submenu choose "Spot". This shows who's spotted on the red team and by whom. Quite useful.

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MarsIsBrightTonight #18 Posted 17 January 2021 - 08:40 AM

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View PostThe_Angry_Tank_Commander, on 12 January 2021 - 07:55 PM, said:

I've found that sometimes damage is not given even though the tank loses HP.

 

Thanks for the links. I'll have a look.


 

Definitely not, if you shoot blind and do damage, your commander does not speak and the damage does not show (it feels right IMHO).

If you shoot blind and kill, IIRC the only indication is in the general battle chat e.g. Marsisbrighttonight [OBB} >>> Hiding_Red_Tank [CLAN].



wednesdayarecrud #19 Posted 17 January 2021 - 09:52 AM

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View PostMarsIsBrightTonight, on 17 January 2021 - 08:40 AM, said:

Definitely not, if you shoot blind and do damage, your commander does not speak and the damage does not show (it feels right IMHO).

If you shoot blind and kill, IIRC the only indication is in the general battle chat e.g. Marsisbrighttonight [OBB} >>> Hiding_Red_Tank [CLAN].


Mars is right, it does not show at the time. But if you hit them blind, it shows up when you next see them or you can see it at the end in the summaries.

 

And Mars is also right about the blind kills. If it uploads, this short video shows me shooting at where I knew the WZ was ... two or three shots later you can see the graphic pop up in orange. One dead WZ.

 

 



wednesdayarecrud #20 Posted 17 January 2021 - 10:02 AM

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Here are three short spaced screen snaps. About to fire (apparently at nothing). Shell on the way. Boom dead WZ and you still can’t see it.

 

As a side note, JgPz IV on adrenaline ... wow it pumps out shots. One every 3.4 seconds.






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